The Argument For Pro-Rep, Once Again

Posted on Thursday, July 01 at 09:36 by Anonymous
However, Gordon emphasized that had a fair voting system been used, many people would have voted differently and voter turnout would likely have been higher. The election results also demonstrated that voters and their votes are not treated equally. The Bloc gained one seat for about every 31,000 votes cast for their party; the Liberals gained one seat for every 37,000 votes, the Conservatives one seat for every 40,000 votes. Meanwhile, the NDP gained only one for every 111,000 votes. The Greens attracted more than 500,000 votes but gained no seats at all -- compared to the Liberals who attracted fewer than 500,000 votes in Atlantic Canada alone, where they won 22 seats. The results also exaggerated regional differences. The Bloc received a much higher proportion of seats than their proportion of the popular vote in Quebec, as did the Liberals in Ontario and Atlantic Canada, and the Conservatives in the west. "In the 21st century, no democratic society should tolerate a voting system as bad as ours," said Fair Vote Canada vice president Bruce Hallsor. "We call on the new government to begin a national process where Canadians can learn about proportional, or fair, voting systems and then choose the best system for Canada through a binding referendum." Fair Vote Canada is a multi-partisan citizens'campaign for voting system reform. FVC is supported by a 32-person national advisory committee of prominent Canadians from a variety of backgrounds and political views, and has endorsements from other national organizations as diverse as the Canadian Labour Congress and Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

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  1. by avatar Milton
    Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:00 pm
    We definitely need to have a proportional representation system implimented for the next election. Lets not leave it up to the politicians to choose the form that the system will take.

  2. by RPW
    Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:48 pm
    Here's a variation the PR called "weighted PR":
    http://blogforcanada.com/article.php?st ... 7180900712

    Under this variation, the Libs would have formed a majority government.

    I am in favour of straight PR, but at the riding level, where each riding had multiple representatives, whose voting power reflects the PR distribution within that riding. But I would have less ridings than we do now. Parliament would be made up of approximately the same 308 members, but representing only 100 ridings. There would be no such thing as a "majority government" (unless a single party got a stated percentage in excess of 50% - say 66%), and there would also be no "platform" (which a party always manages to skirt around once it is power). There would only be the motions and bills put forward by the representatives, and according to the platforms they ran on. These would be voted on in free votes.
    As one person said to me of late: "Parliament shoud deal with the issues of the country, once an election is over. All the parties put forward some good ideas, but it is only the governing party that gets to implement theirs, and not all of their ideas are good ones".

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    RickW

  3. Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:29 pm
    Well, although Milton says "let's not leave it up to the politicians" in fact the minority government situation may mean the NDP could use PR as a condition for supporting any Liberal legislation. I believe the plan is to follow New Zealand's example, and have a referendum on whether or not to change the voting system, and then a referendum on what system to change it to. New Zealand opted for a mixed system, which I think would work well here.

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    Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf

  4. Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:58 am
    It's the mixed member variation that the Free Your Vote Campaign was recommending to the Citizens Assembly here in BC as well. I'm not certain how that particular version would work in a country our size? New Zealand is closer to the size of BC.

  5. by RPW
    Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:54 pm
    Is there any particular reason we need to have a "winner" at election time? All PR variations I have read are constructed in such a way as to have a "governing party". Is this really necessary to good government, or is it just because we consider the electoral process a "race", and as such, it must be "won"? If so, I cannot see what it has to do with governance.

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    RickW

  6. by jim
    Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:55 pm
    Why not modify the present system on a "one man one vote" premise where every riding is composed of approximately the same number of voters. No more people times area formulae. No doubt the rural voter will think themselves robbed but the urban dweller has been robbed since federation. Look at Ontario, Toronto suffers because the legislature is made up mostly of rural ridings, yet Toronto contains a large percentage of the ontario population. Before any Albertan pops off about poetic justice look at Calgary and your own provinces squewed seat distribution.

  7. by avatar Milton
    Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:35 pm
    Susan, if the NDP can swing the balance of power in our favor I say Hooray! I don't think we should leave it up to them though, we need to make sure that these referendums happen and that they pass. Now that we are all revved up lets get some action happening.

  8. Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:19 pm



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