Canadians Can't Afford To Ignore Task Force Blueprint For Deep Integration

This is fantastic! I wonder if they have finally woken up, or if the editors haven't figured out what is being written; whatever is happening to the Star, this is great!

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

I'd be careful about praising Carol Goar too much. She supports progressive causes, just as long as they don't rock the powers that be too much.

After the OCAP snake march in Toronto a couple of years back, she wrote a hatchet job in the Star attacking the marchers and actually repeated FUD that one of the marchers defecated in the street.

She took the same tone last month when describing OCAP's efforts to sign up Ontario welfare recipients for more money under a nutritional supplement provision that required a doctor's signature (OCAP was organizing it with sympathetic physicians). The whole tone of this article was, should OCAP be doing this? Would powerful people get angry?

She's writing about deep integration now because its probably safe to do so.

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If you don't like these ideas, I've got others. --Marshall McLuhan

Thanks for the info, I was actually wondering if there was another side, angle to this, and that is why I am asking, why now? Why write about it, now? Is there another plan, or as you say it is just safe, but I have become rather cynical, these days. So what could be the objective to bringing this up now?

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

She downplayed the ramifications. She said that we wouldn't be adverse to being able to work in the states without a visa. Very few people would be able to find a job in the states these days, and lets not forget the mexicans being able to work here as well. She thought NAFTA might be extended further but she didn't mention that the US doesn't abide by the same rules that we do.

But at least the Star has made an attempt to cover the task force, and noted that there was no news coverage of it (in Canada). Probably Goar is responding to press releases by the CCPA, since they're having a conference today (which incidentally I had heard NOTHING about before this article). I give Goar credit for at least pointing out that there needs to be a real national discussion about this, because there does, and really the bottom line of all the effort we put into Vive is trying to stimulate discussion and get some attention on these issues before they are simply decided for us, for good or ill.

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Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf

Looks like there is a rag out there sleazy enough to regurgitate your effluence. A glance at their editorial page shows them to be as mindless and bigoted as vive is. They even adopted your catch phrase, congratulations, the big lie spreads.

<blockquote>The business lobby can't seem to catch a break</blockquote> <P> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! the business community has been getting their way since they started selling us out after WWII. maybe it was even sooner though, US corporations started to set up shop here before WWI. i would say that it's the people of canada who want their country to be less dependent on the US (or any other country) who can't seem to catch a break!<p>---<br>"George Bush has declared the war on terrorism to be the cause of his generation. The cause of Canadian sovereignty will be ours." - John Godfrey, MP for Don Va

Yippe! Canadians can continue to watch real incomes fall because we live in a little socialist backwater - great news!

When you have a moment, could you provide some information to back this up.

Also, when did Canada become socialist? I'm sure all those folks on $800 monthly or less government disability pensions will be pleased to hear about the change. Might mean they can eat more often.

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"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).

So speakith Bent Wookie

From the article: <p><i><u>"The scheme was blown out of the water by Prime Minister Paul Martin's announcement that Canada would not participate in President George Bush's controversial missile-defence scheme."</u></i></p> Except Pierre Pettigrew, Canada's Minister for International Trade, when questioned about prohibiting Canadian businesses from participating, couldn't stumble over himself fast enough. There is ALWAYS another angle, and Paul Martin is very, very good at SAYING things that ultimately prove quite vacuous. <p>---<br>RickW

Anyone heard of Manifest Destiny?<br />
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<a href="http://www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar/dialogues/prelude/manifest/d2heng.html">http://www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar/dialogues/prelude/manifest/d2heng.html</a><br />
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"Although the United States had no shortage of unoccupied lands, expansionists argued that the republic must continue to grow in order to survive."<br />
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yeah but our leaders don't have to do what the US wants all the time. just because the US might want us to do something doesn't mean we have to do it. i've got better quotes for you that that other one:

"the right of our manifest destiny to overspread & possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the great experiment of liberty and federaltive development of self-government entrusted to us. It is the right such as that of the tree to the space of the air and the earth suitable for the suitable expansion of its principle and destiny of growth"

here are resolutions passed by the government of massachussets in 1640:
1. The Earth is the Lord's and the fullness therof. Voted.
2. The Lord may give the earth or any part of it to his chosen people. Voted.
3. We are his chosen people. Voted.

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"George Bush has declared the war on terrorism to be the cause of his generation. The cause of Canadian sovereignty will be ours." - John Godfrey, MP for Don Va

If I let my self I would write ad nauseum on this subject as I am an old guy from the sixties and have been involved in the continentalist debate since.

Let me make the following points briefly:

Canada already exists in a highly integrated state with the US, any more and our sovereignty is non existant.

Thomas d'aquino is a business lobbiest. The only sovereignty he respects is the dollar, most often the American dollar.

Under the NAFTA the US already has virtual control over our resources. We are not allowed to cut back in times of shortage nor are we allowed to give preferential pricing to Canadians- so guess what-in times of shortage we literally get to freeze in the dark.

Carol Goar makes a very good point that our values are diverging from American values. America is turning into a fascist theocracy; not a direction we want to take

Anybody who hasn't already ready it should do so:the PNAC-
Project for the New American Century-Google it now!

The American Economy is not the strong economy it once was. The Europeans, Chinese, and South Americans are becoming dominant globally. We would be much wiser to diversify internationally than embrace Fortress North America

Americans obssession with national security is both neurosis and gambit. They have deliberately overstated the war on terrorism and the capabilities of the axis of evil to justify their aggressive global militarism.

Remember my friends fear is the best way to control people
and we don't to be part of that sort of culture

yours sincerely,

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Robert Billyard