[sasquatch2]

The original purpose of the HRC was to suppress this kind of hate literature and thought----before it headed off on a political tangeant. Diogenes needs a time out to consider his sins.

[Brent Swain]

We must continuously bear in mind that a huge segement of the Israeli population strongly oppose the human rights abuses and are greatly embarassed by them.

[Dr Caleb]

sasquatch2 wrote:

The original purpose of the HRC was to suppress this kind of hate literature and thought----before it headed off on a political tangeant. Diogenes needs a time out to consider his sins.

Please quote the 'hatred'. (hint - his posts are always about 'politics')

Whereas, I can show multiple posts by you deriding Muslim Extremists, and can also claim 'antisemitism' in those posts.

The question is - why do you tolerate one, but not the other?

[Diogenes]

sasquatch2 wrote:

The original purpose of the HRC was to suppress this kind of hate literature and thought----before it headed off on a political tangeant. Diogenes needs a time out to consider his sins.

And how have you, sasquatch2 arrived at those two false conclusions?
You see, what you have done is crossed the line from rational thinking and lept full force into slanderous accusation for which a price must now be paid.

False claim are no frivilous thing and justice demands at the very least a public apology.


That not forthcoming in a timely fasion, you next post on this site, requires a 48 hour time out allowing you to learn the difference between thinking from reason rather than from false beleif.


_________________



You are a hoot! When asked how you've reached your false conclusions you've ignored the question and turned to levity (see top quote)
The only sin Ive commited on this topic is believing the propaganda I had been fed for most of my life
ya see 'squatchie old friend you and your memes have no validity.
Do yourself a favour and read

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/modules.php? ... ic&t=62932
There is a backlash and now it has been formalised from within the Jewish community itself
You are more to be pitied than censured for you firm attachment to propaganda

re: you sig and smell the coffee and not the pot Put some of this in your pipe and smoke it


it took a while and I did find it on the net
enjoy

"'How come it's against the law if it's so all-fired good?' asked Harold.

"'Well, now, I use to study 'bout that myself,' said C.K., tightening the lid of the fruit-jar and giving it a pat. 'It ain't because it make young boys like you sick, I tell you that much!'

"C.K. put the fruit-jar beside the shell box, placing it neatly, carefully centering the two just in front of him, and seeming to consider the question while he was doing it.

"'I tell you what it is,' he said then, 'it's 'cause a man see too much when he git high, that's what. He see right through ever'thing . . . You understan' what I say?'

"'What the heck are you talking about, C.K.?'

"'Well, maybe you too young to know what I talkin' 'bout--but I tell you they's a lotta trickin' an' lyin' go on in the world . . . they's a lotta ole bull-crap go on in the world . . . Well, a man git high, he see right through all them tricks an' lies, an' all that ole bull-crap. He see right through there into the truth of it!'

"'Truth of what?'

"'Ever'thing.'

"'Dang, you sure talk crazy, C.K.'

"Sho', they got to have it against the law . . . Sho' you take a man high on good gage, he got no use for they ole bull-crap, 'cause he done see through there. Shoot, he lookin' right down into his ver' soul!'"

Seeing right through ever'thing is not officially encouraged. In fact, it's downright anti-American, esp at a time when a whole lotta trickin' an' lyin' is standard procedure. The majority of the Supreme Court understands this, as does anyone in authority committed to increasing their power.

But then again, seeing right into the truth of matters will invariably break your heart. At least music sounds better.

From Red Dirt Marijuana -Terry Sothern

[sasquatch2]

You position is that anti-semitism is condoned on Vive?

[Diogenes]

Hey there, squat
gibus yube bepishin ob anti-semiticism (I thought I should at least write in a fashion similar to yours)
and after you've defined anti-Semitism please cut and paste where is is used by me on this thread.


A caution.
Be very careful on how you do this because the chance of you making a fool of yourself is greater than ever actually finding any hate or prejudice.
There are acts done by those claiming to be Jewish that are repugnant, particulary so in view of ther claims.


"It is not racist to point out Israeli connections to a crime if you are making a case that they did it. Don't be silly.

If the Italian Mafia, or a Japanese criminal network had committed this crime, would it be racist to be pointing fingers at specific Italian or Japanese criminals?"

You see, sqaut there have been criminal activities done by people who are Jewish.

http://www.ilperetz.org/graduates/michael_sugarman.htm
"Murder Inc.: Jewish Gangsters in America
Michael Sugarman, May, 2003
They weren’t good Jews. They weren’t good people. They weren’t even good thinkers. Yet fascination lives on with these almost fictional characters. They were Jewish gangsters. They grew up going to synagogue and celebrating holidays and Sabbath, but as they got older, they were anything but orthodox. Jewish gangsters didn’t think of God, ethics, being a good Jew, or even consider tikkun olam or tzedaka. They were thugs, hoodlums, criminals, and anything synonymous with these traits. Yet, Jewish gangsters of America innovated organized crime. They made it as we know it today. These people made it organized. If you watch The Godfather series or Goodfellas or Bugsy, the crime you see is what Jews made it. They were masterminds of the mob. Jewish gangsters were descendants of immigrants trying to make a living, the “American Dream”. Other immigrants also started the life of crime, in fact, any nationality you could think of had gangsters; Italians, Irish, you name it, there were gangs for them. They were all either immigrants, or second generation Americans. You have to look at the irony of the situation. The immigrants wanted their children to lead a successful, law-abiding life, and live the “American Dream”. Now the irony was, in the time of the Depression and Prohibition, when organized crime flourished, you couldn’t be both successful and law abiding, in most cases. The only real successful people were the gangsters. The law-abiding ones were dirt poor.

There is some history, not much, but definitely some history of organized crime in America. There were gangs in New York since the 1800’s. The names and trademarks of some of these gangs are quite strange. The True Blue Americans were a gang that wore stove-pipe hats and long blue coats. The Plug Uglies wore primitive football helmets. Despite their odd names and tendencies, there were definitely vicious gangs and gangsters. The Bowery Boys were precursors to the Brownsville Gang, who would later become Murder Inc. There were mythical gangsters used to evoke fear into the hearts of other gangsters. In the 20’s and 30’s, organized crime was at its climax. This was due to the fact that America was in need because of the Depression and Prohibition was at its height. These circumstances especially benefited crime, being that people were looking for an easy way out of the Depression and some booze. But Jewish crime, such as Murder Incorporated, all came tumbling down in the 1940’s.

For Jewish organized crime in America, believe it or not, there were multiple gangs. There was the Purple Gang in Detroit, which were infamous for being super-violent and importing alcohol from Canada during prohibition. There were also many other smaller gangs. But by far, the largest, most successful one was Murder Incorporated (Murder Inc.). Few words can sum up Murder Inc., they were a driving force in America. They could control government by buying out judges, senators, and such. Murder Inc. may have only dealt with murder, but members of it dealt with every other sort of crime you could think of. The bosses usually dealt with bootlegging, gambling, and labor rackets. Everyone else dealt lightly in other things such as pimping, gambling, racketeering, and every other criminal activity. But mainly, most men of Murder Inc. were hit-men. They were all, bosses and hit-men, bad men.

Murder Incorporated killed over 1000 people across the nation. They were also known as the Combination. The term “Syndicate” is often used when talking about organized crime. The Syndicate was Murder Inc.

Murder Incorporated was interesting because it truly was organized crime. It ran like a business. In fact, this business was conducted in some of the most common places. In Brooklyn, most business was run in the back-rooms of candy stores, or in the back table of an all-night lunch counter. The hit-men would get phone calls from bosses to kill somebody in the candy stores."


So ya see squat, ya know squat!

once a person slips over the line of reason into fantacy, as you are doing here, whatever credability they may have had vanishes at the sight of their name when the post.
You see what you want to see because to do otherwise you would have to challenge you firmly held beliefs, and that would most likely bring about a mental breakdown.
There are many on these pages that hold to belefs that cause muore danger than what they believe of others opinions
These are the true "little man" Wilhelm Reich warned us of.

It is possible that you are capable of gaining wisdom and truth but...
the price it would exact on your psyche' appears to be unbearable so you wimper and whine like a programmed toy.

[Diogenes]

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/mo ... story.html
The Jewish mobster experience on Alcatraz

by joanne catz hartman


I’m on Alcatraz, a family trip to the Rock on a bright, blue-sky Sunday. I’ve gone inside to the cellblocks and stopped to look at a composite of grim-

faced guards. Noticing the absence of Jewish surnames among them gets me thinking about the prisoners. Al Capone wasn’t Alfred Caponestein. Machine Gun Kelly, unlikely a bar mitzvah boy.

“No famous Jewish mobsters, eh?” I ask my husband.

He gives me that look of incredulity. “Bugsy Siegel? Mickey Cohen?” The names roll off his tongue like famous Jewish author names roll off mine. Bugsy was Jewish? And who’s that other guy?

I’m unenlightened to the Jewish mobster experience. I know nothing about the gangsters of my faith.

Back on the mainland the next day, I ask almost everyone whose path I cross the same question: “Hey, watcha know about Jewish gangsters?”

Most laugh and say there weren’t any. “I don’t think they existed,” I hear from Jews and non-Jews alike, as if the term’s an oxymoron.

Picturing a Jewish mobster goes against the accepted stereotype. The Jewish characters I know of in gangster movies and television have been the therapists and the accountants. But the gangsters themselves? Who knew?

My polling audience is made up primarily of mothers like me, so in order to rule out this reply as being a typical female response to my question, I also ask a few men — men who might know a thing or two about the Mob. Surprisingly, I get the same results — except from one retiree in my water

aerobics class.

“Well, there was that Cohen guy,” he says. “Ray?”

Roy Cohn must be the name he’s thinking of, perhaps a gangster in metaphor only — the lawyer who defended some top Mafia leaders including Gotti, the same man who aided McCarthy and whose role was pivotal in the Rosenberg trial. Political history, McCarthyism, characters in Tony Kushner’s plays — now those I know something about. But the mobster Cohen guy is Mickey. And while I have the name, I don’t yet have his story.

The gangster experience is far removed from my personal history and day-to-day life. I don’t watch those shows or read those books. My mother-in-law, however, devoured every book on the subject and passed the gene on to my husband, whose interest in the history of criminology is also high. Who knows, this fascination may be lying dormant in my daughter’s DNA. Best I bone up on the subject or be left out of the discussion, like I am when they talk about football. I need a primer to become savvy in mobsterhood, some knowledge of Jewish involvement in syndicates of the underworld of the past.

In my quest for Jewish knowledge, I’ve been reading about wise rabbis and great scholars. It’s time to branch out, discover something I wouldn’t have learned even if I had gone to Hebrew school.

I’m surprised when I discover online reviews of several recent books on the topic: “The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Gangster in America,” by Albert Fried; Rich Cohen’s research of the stories he heard growing up in his book, “Tough Jews”; and Robert Rockaway’s wonderfully titled “But He Was Good to His Mother: The Lives and Crimes of Jewish Gangsters.”

But were any of these criminals Alcatraz inmates? I wonder. Had I walked by their cellblock without realizing it? Apparently so.

Mickey Cohen did time there in the early ’60s on racketeering charges. I finally get the lowdown on this celebrity L.A. gangster, Bugsy Siegel’s bodyguard, who took over the mob’s West Coast operations after Siegel’s death. That’s Mickey, dressed in suit, tie and hat at the center of the Infamous Inmates poster, right alongside Machine Gun Kelly and Al Capone. I wonder if his Jewish relatives ever came to visit, or if matzah was on the mess-hall menu during Pesach?

I also find a connection to the Rock with a gangster named Waxey Gordon (aka Irving Wexler), who died of a heart attack in Alcatraz in the ’50s while awaiting trial for narcotics trafficking. He had sojourned briefly in San Francisco years earlier. Owing millions in back taxes from East Coast bootlegging and illegal gambling operations, he was arrested at an expensive hotel, posted bail and left town.

What we don’t know is if he stopped in for Shabbat services first.




Joanne Catz Hartman lives and writes in Oakland. She can be reached at jc_Hartman@comcast.net.

[Dr Caleb]

sasquatch2 wrote:

You position is that anti-semitism is condoned on Vive?

So, three false conclusions.

I pretty much give up on you now. *sigh* I tried.

[sasquatch2]

All ethnic communities had organized crime.

The Jewish folk were no different than the Italian/Sicilians....
Italians get upset when the is brought up so why not the Jews.
These posts can not be published in Canadian newspapers. They appear here as part of an indirect anti-american attack---crossing the line into anit-semitic HATE.

[Diogenes]

Well squat old Bean, As always you deal in partial truthes and see hate all around your petite and frilly pc imaginary world
OOPS! "petite and frilly' will now certainly become offensive in some way to you I suppose
At this point I see our exchanges as a game, one in where you find fault at what is presented while I patiently attempt to to show the readership how ridiculous you can be.. each time you get sillier and sillier.

Why is there a special label? Why is there no such thing as anti-blackism, anti-asianism or anti-arabism? A Semite is basically a person allegedly descended from one of Noah’s sons, Shem. As there is no way to ascertain Shem’s DNA, the label Semite is generally applied to peoples who speak any of the Semitic languages, like Hebrew or Arabic.

This has got nothing to do with Judaism. This is about Zionism. It is not a religion. It is a political movement. Equating Jews with Zionism is akin to equating Christians with Neoconservatism.


"They appear here as part of an indirect anti-american attack---crossing the line into anit-semitic HATE."

Ya see squat, this is where you loose all credablility. In your hallucination of reality things "appear" what they are not, It is bad enough that you preface nationality with the broad generisation with word anti, (against) but you also violate simple laws of logic doing so. Anyone confusing fact with fiction risks psychiatric evaluation that may well have then declared a manace to society and then be required to enterinto psychiatric counseling and be medicated.

The truth is scary. The truth is not politically correct. The truth does not fit into the black and white world your momma and daddy raised you in. Grow up. Wake up. Face the truth.