[michou]

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] <br /> That said, her belief is "dialogue" is our founding principle. I can see how she may think this as the French and English did come together, but that was also a marriage of convenience as America was trying to annex Canada.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Finally, a Canadian who admits French Canadians were forced into a marriage of convenience in order to protect British imperialists' interests. The Patriot Rebellion was just that, a rebellion against the Crown imperialist-loyalists, with the hope of creating a true republic modeled on the American one. <br /> <br /> It's time for a divorce. This Canadian imperialist farce and pretense has lasted long enough.

[The Saint]

[QUOTE BY= michou]Finally, a Canadian who admits French Canadians were forced into a marriage of convenience in order to protect British imperialists' interests.[/Quote]<br /> <br /> I wonder if Quebec, and its language and culture, would have survived the American invasion of 1812 all on its own. Probably not. It would just become a Louisiana of the north. Marrriage of conevience indeed. Quebec interests benefited as well. If it were any kind of marriage it would be one of the gold-digging kind were Quebec marries a wealthier beau and remains married long enough to get leagal claim to his assests. Then it's time for a divorce. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= michou]It's time for a divorce. This Canadian imperialist farce and pretense has lasted long enough. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> What do you know? Didn't see that coming. On what grounds michou? Neglect? Irreconcilable differences? Infidelity? I guess Quebec will want a share of Canada's oil seeing how it is such a precious commodity nowadays and Quebec has none of it. If Quebec has any foresight it will also want a share of Canada's fresh water. Nice marriage of convenience. Marries into it poor, whines and complains all the time despite being given much, then runs off wealthier than it ever could have been on its own. The real farce here is the idle threat of Quebec seperatism. Only fools bite the hands that feed them.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= michou] [QUOTE BY= Perturbed] <br /> That said, her belief is "dialogue" is our founding principle. I can see how she may think this as the French and English did come together, but that was also a marriage of convenience as America was trying to annex Canada.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Finally, a Canadian who admits French Canadians were forced into a marriage of convenience in order to protect British imperialists' interests. The Patriot Rebellion was just that, a rebellion against the Crown imperialist-loyalists, with the hope of creating a true republic modeled on the American one. <br /> <br /> It's time for a divorce. This Canadian imperialist farce and pretense has lasted long enough. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> When I said convenience I meant for both sides. Stop twisting what I am saying. <br /> <br /> The French have benefitted immensely without having to defend themselves militarily or by thmselves economically thanks to the British and Confederation.<br /> <br /> Although the British still ruled Canada at the time of Confederation, a national character had already been developing for a long, long time in English Canada as well. Confederation served Canadians--not just the British overseas.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] [QUOTE BY= michou]Finally, a Canadian who admits French Canadians were forced into a marriage of convenience in order to protect British imperialists' interests.[/Quote]<br /> <br /> I wonder if Quebec, and its language and culture, would have survived the American invasion of 1812 all on its own. Probably not. It would just become a Louisiana of the north. Marrriage of conevience indeed. Quebec interests benefited as well. If it were any kind of marriage it would be one of the gold-digging kind were Quebec marries a wealthier beau and remains married long enough to get leagal claim to his assests. Then it's time for a divorce. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= michou]It's time for a divorce. This Canadian imperialist farce and pretense has lasted long enough. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> What do you know? Didn't see that coming. On what grounds michou? Neglect? Irreconcilable differences? Infidelity? I guess Quebec will want a share of Canada's oil seeing how it is such a precious commodity nowadays and Quebec has none of it. If Quebec has any foresight it will also want a share of Canada's fresh water. Nice marriage of convenience. Marries into it poor, whines and complains all the time despite being given much, then runs off wealthier than it ever could have been on its own. The real farce here is the idle threat of Quebec seperatism. Only fools bite the hands that feed them.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> If they want to be Ukraine of the north, go ahead....or maybe they think they'll be a Sweden instead, due to their smallish population....

[michou]

The saint, why as a Canadian would you wish to 'stay married' to Québécers when you despise them so much for their laziness, their hanging on on Canada's coattails, for their constant whining, their french speaking culture so different from yours etc.... I'm sure you could spend a day adding to this list. <br /> What's the point except for the fact that you fear Canada would disintegrate without Québec to support your lackluster culture and Canada's loosely bound federation ? Oh and please don't respond by saying it is out of goodwill and love towards Québec. We've heard that one too. <br /> I personally think it is because without Québec, Canada will just become another 'American' state to the north ? You write Québec would not have survived integration to the U.S. Well guess what ? It already did while Canada is already assimilated to the United States in more ways than one, two of which are language and culture. The next logical step is full economic and territorial annexation. The North American Anschluss is just around the bend and Harper is just the man to bring it about.

[gaulois]

And Canada should bring democracy to Quebec. Sorry I could not not help the Saint on this matter. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[The Saint]

[QUOTE BY= michou] The saint, why as a Canadian would you wish to 'stay married' to Québécers when you despise them so much for their laziness, their hanging on on Canada's coattails, for their constant whining, their french speaking culture so different from yours etc.... I'm sure you could spend a day adding to this list. <br /> What's the point except for the fact that you fear Canada would disintegrate without Québec to support your lackluster culture and Canada's loosely bound federation ? Oh and please don't respond by saying it is out of goodwill and love towards Québec. We've heard that one too. <br /> I personally think it is because without Québec, Canada will just become another 'American' state to the north ? You write Québec would not have survived integration to the U.S. Well guess what ? It already did while Canada is already assimilated to the United States in more ways than one, two of which are language and culture. The next logical step is full economic and territorial annexation. The North American Anschluss is just around the bend and Harper is just the man to bring it about. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I never said I despised Quebecers but I know how separatists like to put words in people's mouths and blow comments out of proportion. They also take them out of context as well. It's all part of the fraud and deceit of separatists.<br /> <br /> But that aside I think it might be in Canada's best interest to allow a separatist win and let the province go. Canada will legally annex northern Quebec leaving a much smaller Quebec territorially. Political stability will be more assured for Canada. There will be economic hardships for both Canada and Quebec but I don't think it will be as hard for Canada as it will Quebec. And Canada will come out of it sooner than Quebec will. Quebec will have to scramble to establish a currency. It may use the Canadian dollar for a while but Quebec nationalist pride will want to replace it ASAP. Quebec will want its own currency but it will be too weak to finance Quebec's debt and it will hurt social programs Quebecers were accustomed to while as a province of Canada so it will adopt the American dollar. Quebec will then have no control of its fiscal policy making it an economic colony of the U.S. Meanwhile the relocation of companies to outside of Quebec will continue. It may not be to Canada but it will leave Quebec nonetheless. Jobs will be lost and professionals will leave. Quebec will undergo an accelerated brain drain. Quebec will then have to sell itself as a market of cheap labour to attract foreign investment. This isn't to say that it will be a smooth ride for Canadians but Canada, with it resources, will be able to bear it much easier than a smaller Quebec. Quebec will, in the long run, stabilize but it will take it a long time, generations perhaps, to regain what it has now as a province of Canada and there is no guarantee that will achieve the same living standard let alone surpass it. But it is possible that Quebec will become a third world state in North America. But cheer up. You'll have a seat at the UN just like you always wanted. Meanwhile Quebec will be easier to court in its economically weakened state. Canada may be able to negotiate Quebec's return to confederation but Quebec will not be in much of a bargaining position. Quebec will be smaller, it will sign the constitution, and will be easier to pacify. Canada will no longer be controlled with idle threats of separation. The other option is to endure uncertain economic times and hope for an uncertain future or be devoured by the Americans.<br /> <br /> So, yeah, go ahead and separate. Have fun. Mind you I don't care to endure the hardships that will follow and I don't think most Quebecers do either. I think we have a good thing going so why stop now? But if separation is the only thing that will pacify Quebec, the way one pacifies an enemy, then maybe it is something Canada should consider.<br /> <br /> P.S. Go ahead and circulate this to all of Quebec to prove further how much we hate Quebec. Just remember to delete this and the first paragraph.

[gaulois]

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] <br /> I never said I despised Quebecers but I know how separatists like to put words in people's mouths and blow comments out of proportion. They also take them out of context as well. It's all part of the fraud and deceit of separatists.<br /> ...<br /> <br /> P.S. Go ahead and circulate this to all of Quebec to prove further how much we hate Quebec. Just remember to delete this and the first paragraph.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Does not look much better either. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> <br /> "separatists like to put words in people's mouths and blow comments out of proportion." Are they really alone at doing this???

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] <br /> - But that aside I think it might be in Canada's best interest to allow a separatist win and let the province go. <br /> - Canada will legally annex northern Quebec leaving a much smaller Quebec territorially. <br /> - Political stability will be more assured for Canada. - There will be economic hardships for both Canada and Quebec but I don't think it will be as hard for Canada as it will Quebec. <br /> - And Canada will come out of it sooner than Quebec will. <br /> - Quebec will have to scramble to establish a currency. It may use the Canadian dollar for a while but Quebec nationalist pride will want to replace it ASAP. <br /> - Quebec will want its own currency but it will be too weak to finance Quebec's debt and it will hurt social programs Quebecers were accustomed to while as a province of Canada so it will adopt the American dollar. <br /> - Quebec will then have no control of its fiscal policy making it an economic colony of the U.S. <br /> - Meanwhile the relocation of companies to outside of Quebec will continue. <br /> - It may not be to Canada but it will leave Quebec nonetheless. <br /> - Jobs will be lost and professionals will leave. <br /> - Quebec will undergo an accelerated brain drain. <br /> - Quebec will then have to sell itself as a market of cheap labour to attract foreign investment. <br /> - This isn't to say that it will be a smooth ride for Canadians but Canada, with it resources, will be able to bear it much easier than a smaller Quebec. <br /> - Quebec will, in the long run, stabilize but it will take it a long time, generations perhaps, to regain what it has now as a province of Canada and there is no guarantee that will achieve the same living standard let alone surpass it. <br /> - But it is possible that Quebec will become a third world state in North America. But cheer up. You'll have a seat at the UN just like you always wanted. <br /> - Meanwhile Quebec will be easier to court in its economically weakened state. <br /> - Canada may be able to negotiate Quebec's return to confederation but Quebec will not be in much of a bargaining position. <br /> - Quebec will be smaller, it will sign the constitution, and will be easier to pacify. <br /> - Canada will no longer be controlled with idle threats of separation. <br /> - The other option is to endure uncertain economic times and hope for an uncertain future or be devoured by the Americans.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <i>point form by michou</i><br /> <br /> You sure know a lot of things, much more than any living or dead politician I’ve ever known I'm sure. Someone to make PET proud. You’ve got it all mapped out and to the minute detail I bet. Ever thought about going into sainted politics ? <br /> <br /> I thought I was over-the-top, but you win hands down. No contest. <i></i>

[samuel]

[QUOTE BY= The Saint]I guess Quebec will want a share of Canada's oil seeing how it is such a precious commodity nowadays and Quebec has none of it.[/QUOTE]<br /> Sorry to burst your bubble, but they are finding plenty of oil in the Gaspé region. So, we have oil, gold and other precious metals, lumber, plenty of electricity and a distinct culture to promote. I'd say we're off to a good start, time to boot the old nag already.

[The Saint]

[QUOTE BY= michou]You sure know a lot of things, much more than any living or dead politician I’ve ever known I'm sure. Someone to make PET proud. You’ve got it all mapped out and to the minute detail I bet. Ever thought about going into sainted politics ? <br /> <br /> I thought I was over-the-top, but you win hands down. No contest. <i></i>[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Since you don’t fully address anything I said I will conclude that the scenario I painted is one you can imagine but do not care to talk about. That’s to be expected. Separatists only talk about the imagined future glory of an independent Quebec. To speak otherwise, even if it is in the best interests of Quebecers, is pure heresy.<br /> <br /> Quebec separatists, by nature, are always over the top but my scenario is a possibility so I wouldn't discount it totally. I don't think an independent Quebec will ever rejoin Canada for the sake of pride but with a separated Quebec's declining standard of living Quebec politicians will look to some foreign savior to help them satisfy the rabble who have now become discontent since Quebec's nationalist adventures are not going as planned. It will most likely be the U.S. but, having lost Canada as a buffer; Quebec will have to deal with the U.S. one on one. The U.S. doesn't care about your language or your culture or your laws that try to protect them. And since the U.S. doesn't need Quebec, Quebec will acquiesce to U.S. demands just to stay afloat at least for a short while. In short, Quebec will become economically colonized by the U.S. more so than Canada already is. How ironic isn't it? You want to separate to protect your language and culture yet they will be threatened further in an independent Quebec. But separatists are known to fail at thinking things through. After all, separatism is more of the heart then of the head.

[The Saint]

[QUOTE BY= Samuel] [QUOTE BY= The Saint]I guess Quebec will want a share of Canada's oil seeing how it is such a precious commodity nowadays and Quebec has none of it.[/QUOTE]<br /> Sorry to burst your bubble, but they are finding plenty of oil in the Gaspé region. So, we have oil, gold and other precious metals, lumber, plenty of electricity and a distinct culture to promote. I'd say we're off to a good start, time to boot the old nag already.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Would that be in a Quebec as a province of Canada or in the future independent Quebec? Remember, an independent Quebec will be much smaller territorially. So what's this about oil and electricity? You can keep your culture. No one wants that.

[gaulois]

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] You can keep your culture. No one wants that.[/QUOTE]<br /> Trôle

[samuel]

[QUOTE BY= The Saint]Would that be in a Quebec as a province of Canada or in the future independent Quebec? Remember, an independent Quebec will be much smaller territorially. So what's this about oil and electricity? You can keep your culture. No one wants that.[/QUOTE]<br /> Ahh so first it's "Québec is doomed without oil, they will want ours" then it's "Quebec is ours, it's got oil". Your entire rant is pathetic...

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= gaulois] [QUOTE BY= The Saint] You can keep your culture. No one wants that.[/QUOTE]<br /> Trôle[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Hahah.