[Orwellian]

To further quote the article above, "The Department of National Defence denies it obtained the intelligence itself..." ...I provided the evidence supporting who in fact did the spying, which is obviously relevant to the story.

[RickW]

Ummmmm again.........
http://www.tarsandsaction.org/robert-re ... t-big-oil/

Quote:

It would carry diluted bitumen

Commonly referred to as "dilbit".....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... -pollution

Quote:

Oil companies are now shipping 500,000 barrels of DilBit daily to U.S. refineries. The peanut butter-thick substance contains 15 to 20 times higher acid concentrations than conventional crude oil, five to 10 times as much sulfur, high concentrations of chloride salts, and higher concentrations of abrasive quartz sand particles.

[Dr Caleb]

Orwellian wrote:

In response to Dr Caleb, though it's rather obvious...

Mmm, no. When all you post is a link, your opinion on the matter is not obvious. 3 Links to a non-existent page, doubly so.

Orwellian wrote:

To quote the article posted above, "The Canadian military is keeping a watch on aboriginal groups through an intelligence unit".

Mmm, no. You posted links to CGI, a Montreal based company with some US government contracts. That isn't how things work. Militaries don't trust outsiders, least of all the US military trusting Canadian subcontractors.

And knowing people who work at CGI, I can honestly say 'intelligence' is not what they are good at.

Orwellian wrote:

The evidence I posted above proves

Mmmmm, no. You posted no evidence. As above, you posted a few links and made some claims about them.

Orwellian wrote:

CGI, a private corporation in partnership with Harper and his government, with substantial ties to the U.S. government and military, does the spying for Harper and his govenment and just set up a "Defence and Intelligence Unit" in Canada that they are hiring Canadian military and DND employees to staff, supporting CGI is expanding it's surveillance of Canadians.

Take a look around CGI's site (I don't even have to look this one up!). They had a big hand in such debacles as the Ontairo Digital Health care records Fiasco, and my favourite, the Long Gun Registry. Does that make them Doctors and Gunsmiths?

The Gun Registry began long before Harper even entered politics. When the registry began in 1993 by PM Cretien, he was still speech writer for Deborah Grey. But, it's Harpers' fault, I know.

Orwellian wrote:

To further quote the article above, "The Department of National Defence denies it obtained the intelligence itself..." ...I provided the evidence supporting who in fact did the spying, which is obviously relevant to the story.

It indeed was relevant, but without your own personal footnotes, it was meaningless. One cannot debate a hyperlink.

[Orwellian]

http://www.therichardtriggcase.com/cgi.htm

[DrCaleb]

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=88663

So? I can post irrelevant links too. Proves nothing.

[RickW]

I'm disappointed Dr.C! Where is your comeback (or apology)?

[Dr Caleb]

RickW wrote:

I'm disappointed Dr.C! Where is your comeback (or apology)?

I can't exactly chastise people for being off-topic, then go off-topic myself, now can I?

Besides, inside information will always make my debate-fu stronger. Read it again - "It is upgraded onsite and shipped as crude oil."

Quote:

What are the qualities of Syncrude Sweet Blend?

Syncrude's product, Syncrude Sweet Blend (SSB) is a 100% upgraded, high quality product with 30o to 32o API, low sulphur (0.1 - 0.2%), low residuals and excellent low temperature pour qualities.

http://www.syncrude.ca/users/folder.asp ... 45#head04b

Quote:

Synthetic crude is produced by companies that refine – or “upgrade” – the thick, heavy bitumen of the oil sands into a lighter oil. Not only is synthetic used by refineries to make end products such as gasoline and diesel, but oil sands producers that don’t upgrade their product – such as Cenovus Energy Inc. – buy it to thin their bitumen so it can flow through pipelines.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... le1927609/

You quote other companies that do not upgrade onsite, but ship it to upgraders elsewhere. Many companies strip out the sulphur and heavy metals before the crude is shipped, making it somewhat safer.

But it still has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[RickW]

Addressing topic at hand:

Because the stuff they pump through the pipelines is so corrosive, the chances of significant spills are inevitable, thus incurring the wrath of the people (such at First Nations) along the route.

BTW, taking the propaganda from the oil companies as gospel doesn't make it "more right". The stuff being pumped is known as dilbit.

[DrCaleb]

RickW wrote:

The stuff being pumped is known as dilbit.

I worked in the oilsands industry many years, and never heard that word till your Guardian article. But it has nothing to do with MI spying on Natives.

[RickW]

It has everything to do with spying on natives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbit
Otherwise, there is no reason to spy on natives - unless of course you believe the military should spy on everyone......

[RickW]

[quote="DrCalebI worked in the oilsands industry many years, and never heard that word till your Guardian article. But it has nothing to do with MI spying on Natives.[/quote]
A recent report by the Defense Council, says that piping dilbit is “like sandblasting the inside of the pipe,” making pipes 16 times more likely to leak than when they are carrying regular crude oil.

[Dr Caleb]

I'm confused. Is it this guy Dilbit that is spying on Natives for the Military; and can you quote someone more reputable like Harold Camping?

[RickW]

Dr Caleb wrote:

I'm confused.

Yes, you are. But you are a Conservative, so it's understandable.
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/20 ... lackstock/

[Brent Swain]

We ship crude to the US to be converted to gas and diesel then buy it back, costing Canadians more for Canadian fuel than it costs USanians for the same fuel, while shipping the jobs to the US.
Meanwhile Eastern Canada buy's its oil from the middle east to make sure the US supply is more stable and reliable than ours. Duuhhhh!!!
Maybe the pipe line should run east and ship only refined diesel and gasoline. Maybe we should charge Canadians less than others for our own resources. That would give our own goods a huge competitive advantage over those produced elsewhere.
What's fourteen inches long and hangs between Uncle Sam's legs? A Conservative's neck tie. That explains Caleb's facial expression.

[herbie]

Canada: Military intelligence unit spies on native groups

So far all we've decoded is probably their battle cry: BING-O