[Stymiest]

[QUOTE BY= whelan costen] Stymiest: 'Oh and about me being a hypocrit I don't know how the argument you made makes any sense just because a certain organization is doing well doesn't mean a part of the country is going to improve in any way or form. if we based all our facts on that Atlantic Canada would be the richest just look at the Irving Family. When you say millinos of dolalrs you realize thats pocket change righ' <br /> <br />Please reread my statement I said you are contradicting yourself, not a hypocrite. <br /> <br />Then z whalen said: 'The poverty problem in NB is due mostly to high unemployment rates. I don't understand how NB power making millions is going to help solve unemployment; it's not making more jobs. The problem is getting more employers to come to NB and offer a fair deal to workers.' <br /> <br />Here is one consideration: If NB power is making millions why are the citizens not reaping any benefits? Any corporation using your soil to operate on, has benefits and impact and that should be reflected in compensation to the people. If the tax rate for corporations was appropriate you would have more in your public coffers to create jobs, roads, hospitals, schools, building, fisheries research etc; all of which create jobs. (By the way Minto is the home town of my mother, so I am fairly familiar with the area.) <br /> <br />Also Canadian oil, aka the Sable Island project is bypassing the Maritime provinces and heading directly to the U.S.; no pipeline stops in the Maritimes, so if you needed it, you could not access your own oil! Does that make sense?? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/confused.gif' alt='Confused'> <br /> <br />Yes Irving Oil has all the money, but why did the Federal government pay them to tear down the ship yard, instead of using it to build ships for the Canadian Military or let them pay to clean it up themselves, they made plenty of money on that shipyard?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />LMAO your making me laugh because you have no idea how the energy industry works. Sable island bypasses our province because the price of natural gas is to expensive to use. Natural Gas is a failure as far as I am concerned it was supposed to allow major industries the option of converting too a cheaper source of energy instead of burning light oil. Instead the price for the gas skyrocketed and well its nbot very affordable for the average joe. Their is no market in Atlantic canada for the stuff we are merely the distributors of the stuff. <br /> <br />NB Power is a provincial corporation too so our money gets put back into the budget to clarify that. I still don't understand how i contradicted myself by saying NB is a poor province lmao. We are a Have Not province compared to you spoiled brats out west who complain about everything. <br /> <br />The reason for this is because Decomissioning the ship yard is cheaper then building the new ships. Irving plans on using the site to build a new Pulp and Paper Mill. Military spending has never been one of canada's strong points. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> <br /> <br /> <br />

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[QUOTE BY= Stymiest] [QUOTE BY= whelan costen] Stymiest: 'Oh and about me being a hypocrit I don't know how the argument you made makes any sense just because a certain organization is doing well doesn't mean a part of the country is going to improve in any way or form. if we based all our facts on that Atlantic Canada would be the richest just look at the Irving Family. When you say millinos of dolalrs you realize thats pocket change righ' <br /> <br />Please reread my statement I said you are contradicting yourself, not a hypocrite. <br /> <br />Then z whalen said: 'The poverty problem in NB is due mostly to high unemployment rates. I don't understand how NB power making millions is going to help solve unemployment; it's not making more jobs. The problem is getting more employers to come to NB and offer a fair deal to workers.' <br /> <br />Here is one consideration: If NB power is making millions why are the citizens not reaping any benefits? Any corporation using your soil to operate on, has benefits and impact and that should be reflected in compensation to the people. If the tax rate for corporations was appropriate you would have more in your public coffers to create jobs, roads, hospitals, schools, building, fisheries research etc; all of which create jobs. (By the way Minto is the home town of my mother, so I am fairly familiar with the area.) <br /> <br />Also Canadian oil, aka the Sable Island project is bypassing the Maritime provinces and heading directly to the U.S.; no pipeline stops in the Maritimes, so if you needed it, you could not access your own oil! Does that make sense?? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/confused.gif' alt='Confused'> <br /> <br />Yes Irving Oil has all the money, but why did the Federal government pay them to tear down the ship yard, instead of using it to build ships for the Canadian Military or let them pay to clean it up themselves, they made plenty of money on that shipyard?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />LMAO your making me laugh because you have no idea how the energy industry works. Sable island bypasses our province because the price of natural gas is to expensive to use. Natural Gas is a failure as far as I am concerned it was supposed to allow major industries the option of converting too a cheaper source of energy instead of burning light oil. Instead the price for the gas skyrocketed and well its nbot very affordable for the average joe. Their is no market in Atlantic canada for the stuff we are merely the distributors of the stuff. <br /> <br />NB Power is a provincial corporation too so our money gets put back into the budget to clarify that. I still don't understand how i contradicted myself by saying NB is a poor province lmao. We are a Have Not province compared to you spoiled brats out west who complain about everything. <br /> <br />The reason for this is because Decomissioning the ship yard is cheaper then building the new ships. Irving plans on using the site to build a new Pulp and Paper Mill. Military spending has never been one of canada's strong points. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'> <br /> <br /> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Ah no, the shipyard was decommissioned becuase our governmetndoesn'tcare about creating well-paying jobs. The government could've bought the shipyard had it wanted to. All it would've taken is 1 or 2 frigates a year in perpetuity to maintain several thousand jobs, and although 1 billion sounds like a lot, 30-40% would be returned to the govenrment in taxes. <br /> <br />This would also allow us to replace our frigates after about 20 years of service--which is right on schedule.

[Milton]

The reason natural gas is not used is because the cost of air pollution from coal fired plants is not factored in. In fact it is not even mentioned. Coal is cheaper because our environmental laws are dysfunctional.