[Guest]

<br />(99.12.krebs.blob.html) <br />This worked an hour ago. <br />Please note the statement"unwanted Hydrogen". <br /> <br />Dennis

[Dr Caleb]

Sorry dude, I searched the Hanford site for "99.12.krebs.blob.html" "Human Waste" "human waste nuclear" - pretty much whatever I could think of, and came up empty. <br /> <br />Post the whole URL, the contents of your 'address bar' . . . <br />

[Jesse]

Google's no help either: <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahanford.gov+unwanted+hydrogen">unwanted+hydrogen</a><br> <br /><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahanford.gov+radiation+hydrogen">radiation+hydrogen</a> <br /> <br />Dennis, a full URL would be most useful.

[Guest]

http://www.populist.com/99.12.krebs.blob.html <br /> <br />"Unwanted hydrogen" <br /> <br />Thanks folks <br />Dennis

[Dr Caleb]

[quote] From article: <br />The discovery of the concentration comes shortly after the news that for the past several years a large 20-year-old million-gallon tank, called SY-101, buried just under the surface at the reservation, 20 miles from Richland, a city of about 32,000 people, has been forming what has been described as a giant radioactive soufflé rising toward the top of the tank. <br /> <br />In December 1997, the crust, composed of radioactive and chemical components never before mixed, began to rise, even though virtually nothing was being added to the tank <br />[/quote] <br /> <br />Ok, nothing about human waste there, so I assume that is part of your idea. So, basically, there are large tanks of nuclear waste containing Strontium 90, hexavalent chromium, beryllium, asbestos, mercury, uranium and many other unknown compounds that are reacting together and producing hydrogen for reasons yet unknown. And you want to add sewage to the mix? <br /> <br />Baaaaaad idea, IMHO and experience*. First, these chemicals that they are transferring between containers are so deadly that hardly anyone has worked with them before, and no one has mixed them together in any concentration before. Second, why waste perfectly good fertilizer such as sewage, and make it radioactive? <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20040818110147465"> <br />Growing crops with Biosolids</a> <br /> <br />If it's the nuclear waste you want to get rid of, do a search for 'breeder reactors'. <br /> <br />* Back in university, we used to get bored in chemistry and played a game called 'chemical surprise'. Just mix whatever chemicals that were in the lab together, and see what happens. Then one day, someone poured a few millilitres of Coke in. We had to clear the room, and excersise chemical hazmat protocols. And that was only a few mils of unknown chemicals <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> I can't imagine what yesterdays burritos would do in the presence of radioactive Strontium 90. <br />

[Guest]

At present we are dumping sewage everywhere. <br />Why not utilize the trillions of tonnes of this waste as a source of energy, instead of its present use as a poison. <br /> <br />By exposing this sewage to intense radiation, like that emitted from spent nuclear fuel bundles. <br /> <br />Presently the Nuclear Industry shoves Fuel Bundles into water. <br /> <br />I say shove em in shit.Utilize the hydrogen in generating electricity. <br /> <br />Dennis

[Dr Caleb]

But that's the whole point of Nuclear Power. Heavy water is used ethier to collect and regulate the heat generated by the nuclear reaction and radiate that heat to normal water to generate steam; or in the case of a Candu Reactor, it facilitates the reaction and generates steam. <br /> <br />If you mix sewage into the heavy water, you'd change it's boiling properties, and with the excess hydrogen you seek to produce, you'd also risk the change of a runaway nuclear reaction. Those are considered by most to be very bad. <br /> <br />But if you sterilize and composte human waste, you could spread it as fertilizer on fields instead of all the chemicals farmers use now. See the link above, many municipalaties do this already. <br />

[Guest]

How in the world can you honestly say that irradiating <br />sewage could become a runaway nuclear reaction? <br /> <br />The heat generated by standard nuclear reaction is designed to do that intentionally. <br /> <br />Since you say human excrement is being converted to fertilizer, I guess there is no sewage going into our Oceans,lakes and streams.I'm glad you cleared that up. <br /> <br />The planets going to tumble when the polar ice caps melt, so we need an immediate replacement for fossil fuels to avoid it. <br /> <br />You got another source? <br /> <br />Dennis

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= dbaker] How in the world can you honestly say that irradiating sewage could become a runaway nuclear reaction? <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />At sea level (normal atmosphereic pressure, 760mm), pure water boils at 100C. Under the same conditions Deuterium Oxide (Heavy Water) boils at <a href='http://www.unitednuclear.com/deumsds.htm'>101.4C</a>. Impurities in these, or changes in Altitude will change the boiling point. Adding 1g of salt to the water will change it's boiling point 0.1C downward. <br /> <br />Adding pressure to the system will change the boiling point as well. At 3 atmospheres, water will boil at 200C. <br /> <br />This difference in boiling points is used in Nuclear Reactors to use Heavy Water superheated to superheat normal water, and when the pressure is removed, it turns to steam. Deuterium gas is explosive. <br /> <br />Changing the boiling point of Deuterium Oxide under pressure in the reactor of a Nuclear Power station is exactally what happened in Chernobyl. <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= dbaker] <br />The heat generated by standard nuclear reaction is designed to do that intentionally. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />No, a standard reactor is a controlled fission reaction, controlled by something else. Cadmium, lead, Deuterium. When the control rods are removed completely, an uncontrolled reaction ocurrs. In Chernoybl, the Deuterium that was used to carry the heat away from the core boiled off, and the reaction melted the control rods. Boom. <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= dbaker] <br />Since you say human excrement is being converted to fertilizer, I guess there is no sewage going into our Oceans,lakes and streams.I'm glad you cleared that up. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />First lesson in understanding Dr Caleb: Don't read into my posts statements that I have not written. <br /> <br />I never said human waste wasn't being dumped into streams, I said more and more human waste isn't. Instead it is being used as fertilizer, rather than harsh chemicals that in turn are not being washed into lakes and streams. <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= dbaker] <br />The planets going to tumble when the polar ice caps melt, so we need an immediate replacement for fossil fuels to avoid it. <br /> <br />You got another source? <br /> <br />Dennis[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />How about more efficient electric motors to be used in Hybrid or electric vehicles. I recall a thread on that somewhere, but I didn't consider it a miracle for the environment. Oh, wait, that wasn't me . . . <br />

[Guest]

Lets see.................... <br /> <br />no I don't get it............... <br /> <br />How is this motor going to stop the polar Ice caps from melting? <br /> <br />Reducing fossil fuels consumption by the volume of Hydrogen I intend............Miracle.

[Dr Caleb]

Holey moley. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br />Ok, by using more pure electric vehicles, less fossil fules are consumed. If a new motor means you can run an SUV sized vehicle from a solar panel on the roof, or a cheap bottle of vodka in the tank, you don't have to use dinosaur fuel. See the connection?? The polar ice caps are melting because the sun is getting hotter. Nothing will stop the polar icecaps from melting. <br /> <br />Spending billions on re-designing a nuclear reactor to free hydrogen from human waste is pointless, when the sun will do it for free. <br />

[Guest]

Spending billions continuing to perpetuate the use of fossil fuels is your answer Doctor? <br /> <br />dude, your wrong, but probably due to a preconditioned responce.Do you require peer acceptance to voice an original rational responce? <br /> <br />If the planet rotates to achieve a new position of dynamic balance after the poles melt, then one might expect gravity fluctuations, due to the irregular rotation. <br /> <br />Think a 3G fluctuation would have dropped the Dino's in thier tracks? <br /> <br />We have a serious problem, and we must face it and deal with it.Now. <br />Your Friend <br />Dennis

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= dbaker] Spending billions continuing to perpetuate the use of fossil fuels is your answer Doctor?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Pardon me? Please see "Rule #1 for understanding Dr Caleb". I believe if you read what I wrote, you'll find most of my above solutions spend absolutely nothing to further the use of alternate forms of energy and reduce dependence on fossil fuels. <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= dbaker] <br />dude, your wrong, but probably due to a preconditioned responce.Do you require peer acceptance to voice an original rational responce?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Coming from a guy who's posted three threads here about his anus and various functions thereof, you'll forgive me if I just ignore your psycological work up of me. <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= dbaker] <br />If the planet rotates to achieve a new position of dynamic balance after the poles melt, then one might expect gravity fluctuations, due to the irregular rotation.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Your gyroscope analogy does not scale well. Redistributing a relatively large mass on a fairly small one, such as a gyroscope does not reflect how the earth will behave under similar conditions. The ice at the poles has already re-distributed it's mass in the oceans. Otherise the ice at the poles would not float. <br /> <br />Proof? Fill a glass mostly up with water. Then put ice in it until the ice is actually above the top of the glass, and the glass is to the brim with water. Wait for the ice to melt. <br /> <br />Exercise for the student: Why does the glass not overflow? <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= dbaker] <br />We have a serious problem, and we must face it and deal with it.Now.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Agreed. <br />

[Guest]

Ralph Klien whom we all know opposes Kyoto, and Climate Change efforts, has stated on television that even he could not dipute the science, that the planet was going to rotate. He did not know what killed the dino's "maybe dino farts". <br /> <br />Each year the planet wobbles due to ice melting at one end, then the other. How can you really dispute the effect. <br /> <br />The Gyro thing realy is just to give you a visualization of minor mass redistribution affecting rotation.Don't need to take off that much. <br /> <br />National Geographic would run right over if we found a species that used its poisonous secretions as an energy source. <br /> <br />Dennis Baker

[Guest]

Pardon me? Please see "Rule #1 for understanding Dr Caleb". I believe if you read what I wrote, you'll find most of my above solutions spend absolutely nothing to further the use of alternate forms of energy and reduce dependence on fossil fuels. <br /> <br /> <br />By isolating the consumers of fossil fuels one by one, such as the doc is attempting(in good faith), we perpetuate the continued use. <br /> <br />By replacing the high end users fossil fuel with hydrogen. <br />Hydrogen becomes readily available for the average consumer.Whom we now chase down one by one, as is the good doctors way. <br /> <br />Dennis Baker <br />