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[QUOTE]You seem incapable of understanding that if you spend more energy to get less energy, then you are going to run out of energy.[/QUOTE]<br /> I guy names Newton is turning in his grave and your science teacher is pulling his hair out. All his efforts were in vain. You can <b>never</b> get out more energy than how much you invest. It's guaranteed.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]You can get net energy from solar cells, windmills[/QUOTE]<br /> Negative. Solar cells convert energy from sunlight into electric energy and windmills convert wind pressure into mechanical motion. What goes in comes out, minus the amount that gets lost due to inefficiencies.<br /> <br /> Your car burns gas. If you burn fuel (any fuel) in a closed space (such as your engine's cylinders) it causes a pressure increase. This pressure is converted into rotary motion. The fuel doesn't have to be conventional gasoline. It can be bio-Diesel, just the engine's parameters have to be modified to accomodate it.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]You have not given any evidence to back up your assertion that peak oil is not true. [/QUOTE]<br /> You have not given any that it is true.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The scam is maintaining our dependance on oil ihstead of moving to regenerative resources. [/QUOTE]<br /> We are not. Sweden announced that it would move away from gasoline by 2020. Other countries are now investing more into the same. By the time oil becomes unbearably expensive, we will start moving to alternatives. Heck, we have moved off steam not so long ago. Mankind is extremely innovative, which is why we no longer live in the jungle and eat raw meat.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Your assertion that retooling is easy[/QUOTE]<br /> It is easy. All new car makers come out with new models every year. The assembly lines always have to be retooled for the changes. As long as there is a design, the manufacturers can easily make the product.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]because regenerative resources will not run out and are not scarce the ruling class will not develop them [/QUOTE]<br /> That's why the US spent a fortune invading Iraq and not investing the same money in developing hydrogen power.<br /> <br /> <b>My point about businesses:</b> The oldest trick in the book is that you can drive up prices of a commodity simply by limiting supply. The markets are driven by beliefs. If investors believe that there is more than enough oil to go around, they won't believe that it's possible to make a lot of money on it, so they won't invest. It will reduce demand for oil stocks and the oil companies make less money. If the investors are convinced that oil is about to run out, they expect oil prices to skyrocket and they stocks to increase in value. If you buy a stock for say $20 today and expect that stock to worth $100 in a few years, the smart thing is to invest a lot of money in it. The more you invest the more you cash in. If you invest $1 billion, it will be worth $5 billion, and so on.<br /> <br /> The entire Western economy is based on what people <b>think</b> about that commodity's supply. Every time there are reports about the oil supply in jeopary, due to oil tanker ship running late, terrorist attacks against oil pipelines or other political developments, the price of oil goes up immediately. Not when you start buying the expensive oil, but as soon as you hear the bad news. When OPEC announces a drop in production, oil prices increase. When they up the quota, the prices go down. The gasoline doesn't run out at the pumps, only te rumors are enough to manipulate prices. Oil producers and distributors <b>have a vested interest</b> in keeping oil prices as high as the economy can take. Every year they experiment with drastic price hikes for a few days or weeks to see what the point is when the economy goes belly up. Last year after that phony Katrina windstorm they figured that the economy can function evern if the price of oil hits around $1.50/litre, so expect more of the same. They only need excuses and there are hurricanes every year....<br /> <br /> The same thing is true about any privatized utility. As soon as they privatize and deregulate hydro anywhere, they start brainwashing people about "electricity shortages" and it drives up prices. The key is to produce as little as it takes to keep the supply just barely keeping up with demand and connect hydro systems on large areas together. The biggest the grid is the more money they can make by controlling supply. This was precisely what caused the huge outage a few years ago.<br /> <br /> It's all about ideology too: the corporations are after energy and basic necessities. Once they can control it all, we'll have a new totalitarian system in place and it will be very difficult to get rid of it. Welcome to the New World Order.