[N Say]

Where did you get those questions from? Just curious. Check out the following:<BR> <a href="http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/9709brzezinski.html">A Geostrategy for Eurasia</a> by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter's National Security Advisor (explains why they bombed Afghanistan & support regimes in Central Asia in spite of their human-rights abuses)<BR> <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5782.htm">A War in the Planning for Four Years</a> by Michael Ruppert, former LAPD detective, including passages from one of Brzezinski's books<BR> <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm">The president's real goal in Iraq...</a><BR> <a href="http://politics.guardian.co.uk/attacks/comment/0,1320,1036772,00.html">This War on Terror is Bogus</a> by Michael Meacher, Bliar's former environment minister<BR> <a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/index.jsp">Center for Cooperative Research</a>, with its unbelievably huge <a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">timeline</a>, including 1000s of mainstream sources written by professionals.

[Milton]

Some of the questions occurred to me upon seeing the news reports. Like the building demolition, and air force questions. The passport on top of the rubble was a no-brainer. The rest came as I investigated the investigation. Thanks for the links NSay, I am going to check them out right now.

[whelan costen]

Some of these questions just don't go away...I for one have more questions than I believe we'll ever have answers to...I was discussing some of this at Easter dinner, and unfortunately some people still refuse to consider that Afganistan or Iraq were anything but necessary...so I ask you or anyone on this site, how can we know by what authority is the Tribunal in Toyko legit...I mentioned this court found Bush and co. guilty of war crimes, and about the uranium used etc....these people were horrified that I could believe this possible and basically thought the info came from an iffy internet site..blah blah...so please how can a person know that this court was held and has authority etc. as it isn't in the main stream press. Does anyone know of a report somewhere that could validate this court hearing?? I don't doubt it as I have read other reports similar but I want to be able to validate it to others, if I can....

[Milton]

Howdy Whelan, if you go to this link <p> <a href="http://afghan-tribunal.3005.net/english/">Afghan Tribunal</a> <p>and read the "media report" at the bottom it will explain the authority of this court. Hope this helps you. <p>"To keep the American public and the world in the dark, U.S. officials and nuclear industrialists repeatedly and strategically misrepresent depleted uranium’s deadly impact on nature and humanity. They claim that DU is too feebly radioactive to be harmful to life. They claim that DU cannot be considered a poison, because their weaponry exploits only its hardness and its readiness to catch fire and not its radioactivity or its heavy metal toxicity. They emphasize that DU is “depleted,” since a tiny fraction of a more radioactive isotope has been removed. They claim that their only source of DU is mined uranium minus that fissionable isotope. They ignore how easily radioactive dust can be inhaled and claim that DU radiation cannot reach the bone marrow to cause leukemia, because it cannot penetrate the skin. They keep the medical records of sick Gulf War veterans locked in secrecy, and they suggest that the “Gulf War Syndrome” is a figment of the imaginations of over 8,000 dead and 250,000 sick veterans."- Treatise- Schott, Lopez & LaForge

[Dr Caleb]

I know a couple answers, so I'll answer what I can . . .(some in Devlis advocate mode) [QUOTE BY= Milton] 1)Where was the fricking air force during all of this? [/QUOTE] Remember, there were 4 hijacked jets that day. I'm convinced by what I saw on CNN at the time that the fourth Jet that 'went down' in a field was shot down by the Air Force. I distinctly remember a farmer takling about seeing a firebal in the air before that jet 'crashed', it was repeated for about an hour, but eventually dissapeared from the roation of CNN sound bites that day.<p> [QUOTE BY= Milton] 2)Why did all three ( the two towers and building #7) WTC building collapses look like controlled demolitions? [/QUOTE] I saw a documentary on Discovery a year or so after the collapse, and the way the figure, burning jet fuel weakened the internal support structures, which weren't all insulated from fire, leaving the exoskeleton of the WTC #1 and #2 to bear the load. Once the exoskeleton reached it's maximum, the floors would start falling inward. As soon as one floor fell, there wasn't enough strength left to stop the domino effect, and they all came down. Personally, I think the engineer who designed it should be commended that they held out as long as they did, considering they were designed to hold up from an impact of a plane with 1/4 the mass as what they actually were (747 vs 767). Many people escaped that wouldn't have otherwise.<p> [QUOTE BY= Milton] 3)Why did building #7 collapse? [/QUOTE] Good question. I'd like to know too.<p> [QUOTE BY= Milton] 4)Why are their no skeletal frame pictures of the two towers as they were being constructed? There are pictures of the Empire State building under construction so what gives with the WTC? I'm not talking about drawings or mock ups or computer generated models, I'm talking about photographs. [/QUOTE] Are you sure? I've never really looked. . .<p> [QUOTE BY= Milton] 5)Why were government agents confiscating the tapes from gas station cameras across from the Pentagon when the Air Force hadn't even made it to the scene yet? [/QUOTE] Fair question. Most likely standard procedure.<p> [QUOTE BY= Milton] 6)Why were the alleged terrorists names not on the airlines passenger lists? [/QUOTE] Ummmm, perhaps they were using assumed identities? Terrorists sometimes do that . . .<p> [QUOTE BY= Milton] 7)Why did the alleged terrorists not show up on the flight boarding tapes? [/QUOTE] Again, more info needed. [QUOTE BY= Milton] 8)Why was Afghanistan attacked if 18 of the 19 alleged terrorists were not from Afghanistan and 15 of these 18 alleged terrorists were from Saudi Arabia? [/QUOTE] This one is a gimme! Attack your best supplier of oil? Please <p> [QUOTE BY= Milton] 9)Since when is a video tape of a person claiming to be a particular person, who confesses to the crime of the century, accepted as conclusive proof that the crime was committed by the person named in the video tape? [/QUOTE] When you find their body at the scene afterwards?<p> [QUOTE BY= Milton] 10)How did Mohamed Atta's passport come to be on top of the rubble in NY city? [/QUOTE] Yea, you got this one already...<p> [QUOTE BY= Milton] 11)Why is the media not asking these questions? [/QUOTE] Because they think we care about Jennifer/Ben or Dave Beckham. look look look! Shiny!!<p> "It's so easy to control a society when everyone is a criminal" Adolph Hitler<p>

[Milton]

Hi Dr Caleb, there are a lot of contradictory stories concerning the Air Force. They launched from bases too far away instead of closer ones, they didn't launch until the pentagon was hit, they did launch before the pentagon was hit but they were too far away (wrong base syndrome again).
As far as flight 93 goes they either were or were not in position to shoot down the plane and they either did or did not shoot it down. The debris field was miles long (8-10 miles) so something definitely happened but they ruled out a bomb on the plane as a cause. And you are right , a farmer said he saw a jet going after flight 93 and heard an explosion and saw the jet turning and streaking away., but the officials said it was a Lear jet or some such nonsense.

I looked on the net and I can't find one picture that shows the construction with the inner and outer ring of columns. I've got a picture of the inner ring but not the outer. I wanted to see if there were beams, ( not just the trusses), between the inner and outer column rings, a photo of a section of the building steel in the rubble suggests that there might have been. I've since come across an explanation of how these trusses could have maintained building rigidity,( people say there was very little sway in the towers). I haven't digested it yet but it makes the popular pancake platter
collapse theory even less likely .

All the passengers on the lists were accounted for, and in each case there were too few people listed on the flights, the hijackers would have had to have been stowaways.

The links NSay posted are very good, the timeline link is massive and I'm gnawing away at it.

"Sept 11, 2001
Warren Buffett, possibly the second richest man on Earth [Salon, 8/31/99], schedules a morning charity event inside Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. A number of CEOs who would otherwise have been in the WTC attend. Attendees had just arrived when the first WTC attack occurs. This base is the center of the nation's military defenses, and the same base that Bush will fly to later in the day. The timing, probable attendance, and location of the meeting is curious, to say the least, as is the total lack of any mention of the meeting anywhere, except for one aside by a business leader (Anne Tatlock, CEO and President of Fiduciary and Franklin)explaining why she survived the WTC attack. [San Francisco Business Times 2/1/02] "

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= Milton] I looked on the net and I can't find one picture that shows the construction with the inner and outer ring of columns. I've got a picture of the inner ring but not the outer. I wanted to see if there were beams, ( not just the trusses), between the inner and outer column rings, a photo of a section of the building steel in the rubble suggests that there might have been. I've since come across an explanation of how these trusses could have maintained building rigidity,( people say there was very little sway in the towers). I haven't digested it yet but it makes the popular pancake platter collapse theory even less likely . [/QUOTE] Here's a little <a href='http://www.ebtx.com/wtc/newwtc.htm'>link</a> to explain the exoskeleton. With the load bearing walls on the outside, as opposed to load bearing interior trusses, a structure tends to collapse inward because there is nothing on the inside to prevent the collapse.<p> But you're right, very few images out there to pick from . . <p>

[whelan costen]

Thanks Milton for the link...you two have just added to the complexity of the issue, I think this is going to be like the JFK situation, we'll never know the truth cause, dead men tell no lies, and no truth...so anyone who does know won't speak, else they won't be alive...but really there are far more lies and inconsistencies in this entire mess...why was all the steel removed from the crime scene before anyone could examine it properly? And for pete's sake why did the airforce not respond, that is totally ridiculous, but as they keep saying it was another Pearl Harbour in more ways than one!

[Milton]

There is a new site underway called cooperative research and they are putting together a definitive timeline of what the lead in to 911 was, what happened on 911, and how it has affected Iraq, Afghanistan and everybody else. This is a new project and their timelines have links embedded so that you can verify what you are reading as you go rather than trying to keep track of what you need to verify. They need help, don't we all, so if you have a spare moment drop by and have a look. Here is the link (if you want to register with them go to their forum and do it there). <a href="http://cooperativeresearch.org">Cooperative Research</a>

[N Say]

Hey that link looks familiar, like I've seen it before... hehe

[Milton]

Dr Caleb, your answer to my question, as to why there were no pictures showing the exo-skeleton of the beams and columns of the construction of the World Trade Towers on the internet, was that there were very few. Actually there are none. Not one. Zip. I'm not talking about models or drawings, I'm talking about photos showing the inner and outer rings of columns with their cross members. If you have a website that you found that has <b>photographs or videos</b> of the towers under construction I would be interested to see it.