[Dr Caleb]

I think MI-5 should take a lesson from Mossad after the 1972 Munich Olympic Games. Form a small task force to find out who did this, and hunt them down. To the ends of the earth and without mercy.<br /> <br /> It worked for Isreal. Has there been a repeat of what happened in 1972? <br /> <br /> Yea, it sounds a little extreme, but then again, I'm pretty extreme. But these people need to know that repercussions will be as up close and personal as there attacks were random and without cause.<br />

[Spud]

Perhaps Dr.Caleb hunting down the people who drop bombs on Iraq and Afghanastan would help a lot more.How many died today,yesterday,or the day before?All in the name of liberation of course.<br /> Of course there is no proof that "Terrorists"planted those bombs.What about all the CCTV`s that are all over London?Nobody see these terrs?Sounds familiar doesn`t it?Just like all the terrs that never showed up on airport security cameras back in September of `01.For all we know MI-5/6 could have planted those bombs.<br /> I am also sure the IRA would agree with you about hunting down the British who tortured the Irish.<br /> I am glad you are extreme.It is good to be extreme.And intense. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> But make sure you know who they are first.Violence has a nasty habit of going in circles <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'>

[Dr Caleb]

It's too early for the tin foil beret, Spudster. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'><br /> <br /> The average Londoner gets caught on camera 300 times per day. Any idea how much video footage that is, to go through manually looking for one or more individuals? And add how many days footage they have to go back through if they want to go back to the last time those tunnels were inspected . . .<br /> <br /> The cameras are avoidable. It wouldn't suprise me if it's weeks before anyone is identified from camera footage, if at all.

[Spud]

So there is no point to fighting the war on terror.<br /> Perhaps minding ones own business,staying out of other countries just might contribute to peace.Just might stop pissing other people off.Just might make the world a better place.<br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[Dr Caleb]

Don't get me wrong, the war on terror is here, and one day Canada will have to wake up. Minding our business has kept us out of it so far, but in order to hurt our allies, we will one day be their target.<br /> <br /> But to carry out that war on a large scale is just a waste of resources, and hurts innocent civillians. All I'm saying is retaliation should be small and limited to the people responsible. If they want to use terror tactics on our allies, than our allies should use the threat of swift, personal retribution and punishment as a terror tactic of it's own. Isreal used assasination quite effectively against terrorists, and no innocents were hurt.<br />

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= kathaksung]<br /> Have you ever considered US or Israel intelligence might be behind it? I allege so based on following reason. <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> No, and your argument begins with the logical fallacie of first believing you are correct in your allegations. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= kathaksung]<br /> 1. The known attack from Al Quada all directed against US. The bombing US embassy in Afirica; the bombing of US Cole; 911 attack aimed at US government, military and Jewish financial interest.(WTC is viewed as a financial center where there was a lot of Jewish financial institution). But at this time it is totally aimed at a foreign country and its civilians. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> As Al Queda announced that Austrailia (along with Britan, Italy, and Canada) was a target, it's not suprising they chose the target that looked unprepared for such an attack. Again, they chose to attack civillians, not the government.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= kathaksung]<br /> 2. Al Quada is said heavily hit by Bush's anti-terror war. Bin Laden is said to be in trap of US military. How can it activate such a big attack? [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> He organized it beforehand, or there are other leaders? Assuming he couldn't have organized another attack is a false assumption; self imposed logical fallacy.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= kathaksung]<br /> 3. The time is sensible. It took place just days before the Spainish election. Who thinks highly of election? Not the Islamic extremist who have little democratic opinion and not familiar with election. But the inside group of US know the importance of election. They know election is the only way in democratic system to get the power. And they are professional to manipulate an election. Such like this election year, they let out the information that Bin Laden will be arrested. To support Bush and his war policy, to maintain an international ally is important for him. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Both Blair and Bush won recent elections, so what would be the need to manipulate the public in this way? And when Spain's government fell, they pulled all troops out of Iraq. That infuriated Bush and Blair because they lost an ally.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= kathaksung]<br /> 4. US government has a history to plan to attack its own people to provoke a war. The plan of Northwoods is evidence. And there was anthrax attack and DC sniper shooting which I also viewed as attack from inside group to push for war. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Facts not in evidence, again, your opinion. Fallacy that coincidence is causality.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= kathaksung]<br /> It doesn't make sense for Al Quada to seek the hostility against them from people in Europe at this time. If they can do it now, <b>why not do it at the time when US invaded Afghan and Iraq?</b> Even people of Spain didn't suspect Al Quada at first but the Basque group of their own country. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Ummm, because they weren't ready then? And the governement of Spain tried to blame the attacks on Basques - the people saw through that sham. Why would you be so willing to trust one government, and not another?<br /> <br /> And what did any of this have to do with the London bombings?<br />

[Milton]

How about having actual investigations before we lynch the scapegoats? Send in the crime scene investigators. With all the money being spent on security why isn't there any?<br /> What the hell is going on and why aren't we shouting this at our leaders at the top of our lungs. They continually make matters worse and then want more money spent doing more of the very things that made matters worse. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is a sign of insanity and/or the ruse of a psychopath.<br /> <br />

[Marcarc]

One day Canada will be a target to hurt our allies? Sorry, but that sounds kinda nuts. Canada has next to no military capability and refused to go to Iraq. "Terrorists" are a lot of things, but they aren't stupid and they have easy access to information through the internet. There is no telling when "terrorists" will strike, or where. There are a lot of issues in the world, if anything Canada would see terrorism from Indonesia or one of many South American and African countries where our money supports the local thugs, and the people know it-far better than we do.<br /> <br /> The British Empire has many enemies, as does the american. Canada too, I'm always amazed at the peaceful resolution of natives, if I were that marginalized I'd probably be far more violent (no doubt my scottish blood).<br /> <br /> How often have you seen or heard of terrorism in Switzerland or one of the scandinavian countries where they maintain a policy of neutrality? Not often. If you want to avoid terrorism it's simple-stop terrorizing others. For Canada this means getting out of Haiti and Afghanistan for starters, but of course these are far from decisions we'll be making. As usual, in our own life or death decisions, canadians will be watching from the sidelines.

[FootPrints]

Milton seems to be the voice of reason here. What ever happened to investigating these crimes? Blaming muslims promoting hatred, and if not that, putting them at risk before looking into any actual and/or FACTUAL evidence.<br /> <br /> They had announced a pull-out from Iraq last week. A terrorist attack, and now they are staying. Hmmmm<br /> <br /> People are hurting, this is a tragedy. They don't need propoganda and politics. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

[Marcarc]

I've seen many media reports, and even Blair himself was careful not to blame Al-queda. It's another question about blaming muslims or arabs themselves, I've seen little of that in canada, at least from news sources, even the National Post. If anything this is being kept alive as internet groups discuss over and over again 'don't blame muslims'. If news and media aren't blaming them, who is? <br /> <br /> As far as the claim that the british government itself is in on this, I find that appalling and unlikely. It's highly doubtful that british intelligence could be talked into bombing london. As for Iraq, the future timetable of 'maybe withdrawal' from Iraq that both Blair and Bush espouse has not even been mentioned in this, at least in the british media coverage I found. <br /> <br /> It also serves no purpose, the British government has had protests against it from day one, and still won a majority government, clearly it can do what it wants in Iraq, and that includes when it leaves. They certainly don't need to blow up the british to justify it. <br /> <br /> Even though two Al-queda groups have claimed responsibility, STILL the british government hasn't claimed it was them, and refused to say until an investigation is completed. So I think maybe people here are spending too much time at racist or bigoted websites where people may be making racist claims because, well, that's what they always do. Apart from those ignorant malcontents, I've seen little of the 'blame muslims' that is being referred to.

[Kevan Taylor]

Just a couple of random points, some already made. Dr Caleb's idea of hunting down the terrorists is insane, who judges and with what evidence. If you kill an innocent person are you any better than the bombers?<br /> <br /> Anyone who poo poos the idea of the amerikans from doing anything is being silly. These people are without honour, think of the soldiers that torture and kill prisoners and then tell me they wouldn't kill civilians if ordered.<br /> <br /> The british re elected Blair even after it was shown he lied and led them into a aggresive war. They are not without guilt.<br /> <br /> The brits are helping the amerikans in this invaison and occupation, if you sleep with whores you should expect to get VD

[FootPrints]

<b>London bombs more sophisticated than first thought</b><br /> <br /> "Oren said they were likely made from military grade plastic explosives like C4, but not the stronger Semtex, which would have caused even more powerful blasts. Plastic explosives are readily available on the black market in the Czech Republic and other central and eastern European countries or through the Russian mafia, analysts say. <br /> <br /> <br /> An expert in terrorist finances said the London bombings probably only cost between US$10,000 and US$15,000 (?8,400 and ?12,600) to carry out. <br /> <br /> <br /> "It's cheap," said analyst Loretta Napoleoni. <br /> <br /> <br /> She said the attackers were likely homegrown _ British citizens or longtime residents, inspired by al-Qaida but without any direct connections to Osama bin Laden or his lieutenants. <br /> <br /> <br /> "They do not have unlimited resources," she said. "They adjust the model to how much money they have. If they could have raised more money, they would have had more explosives." <br /> <br /> <br /> They probably raised their funds locally, she said, avoiding the need to risk attracting authorities' attention with a bank transfer." <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?tl=1&display=rednews/2005/07/09/build/world/53-london-bombs.inc">Full Story</a><br />

[oh canada]

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] I think MI-5 should take a lesson from Mossad after the 1972 Munich Olympic Games. Form a small task force to find out who did this, and hunt them down. To the ends of the earth and without mercy.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Wasn't that already done and they were unsuccessful? First course of action should be for the US to get the hell out of Iraq because they have right being there. They did not attack Iraq to restore democracy (the irony), but for their own selfish reasons. There are many other countries whose people live under brutal oppression, why not help them?<br /> <br /> How can American claim to help any other country when there is a internal war within their own borders, not to mention all the atrocities they've made against weaker nations? Why not pick on countries their own size like China? Why not go after North Korea? They're more of a threat than anyone else. I'm not suggesting they should, but I find it disgusting how they pick defenseless countries who are resource rich or where they have something to gain.<br /> <br /> On another note:<br /> <br /> I find it interesting how religion and Islam becomes the easy scapegoat. People tend to forget that Al Qaeda doesn't really have anything to do with God or religion but rather power and hate. Al Qaeda's was formed to get foreign military occupation out, when the Soviet was occupying Afghanistan. Americans have coined the term terrorism because they're defending their own land, but the US and UK don't realize that they're terrorizing not only citizens of the country they're attacking but their own citizens through fear and propaganda.<br /> <br /> US has military occupation in just about every country, including several muslim nations. I'm not justifying any acts of terrorism or violence but we're constantly brainwashed by the media to think this evil group jsut hates freedom without looking at WHY they're doing this. <br /> <br /> Granted these monsters have no scrupples or respect for anyone including themselves, but if we want to be effective in "war against terrorsism" we're definitely going about it the wrong way.

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= oh canada]<br /> Wasn't that already done and they were unsuccessful? [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> No, they were 45% successful. <br /> <br /> [quote]<br /> Background: In 1972, the Israeli Mossad initiated one of the most ambitious covert counterterrorist campaigns in history. Golda Meir and the Israeli cabinet's top secret 'Committee-X' devised a campaign in retaliation for the massacre of eleven Israeli's during the Munich Olympic games. Meir tasked the committee with devising an appropriate response to the Munich massacre. The panel concluded that the most effective response was to authorize the assassination of any Black September terrorists involved in the Munich incident.<br /> <br /> Five of the eleven were effectively tracked and assassinated through Avner's unit's developed network of intelligence and weapons sources. Three additional terrorists were killed in a combined Mossad-IDF commando effort, fully supported through the team's established underground network, Le Group. Ziad Muchassi, was targeted by Avner's team after they learned through Le Group, that Muchassi was the replacement for Abad al-Chir, previously killed by Avner's team. Avner's team made the unilateral decision to assassinate Muchassi since the opportunity presented itself.<br /> <br /> Avner's team met all the requirements of their directive to assassinate PLO terrorists while screening any evidence of Israeli government involvement.<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> <a href='http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/calahan.htm'>Link: official document analasis by the Marine Corps Command and Staff College.</a><br /> <br /> And absolutely no civillians were harmed. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'><br />

[Marcarc]

Since the PLO has no standing army ALL citizens are civilians. Plus, these guys don't exactly conduct trials and publish evidence, so we really have no idea how successful/unsuccessful it was. It certainly didn't bring peace and order to the region.