[Kory Yamashita]

Link doesn't work...

[N Say]

I've never heard of that book. It sounds like it would be similar to Imperial Brain Trust: <br /><a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=4&showtopic=1290">Imperial Brain Trust</a>

[Milton]

Perterbed, the link takes us to a Microsoft site.Can you give us a new link, s'il vous plait & merci beaucoup.

[Dr Caleb]

Peturbed: I haven't decided on whether to publish it or not. But you're right; it's a matter of whether we want Vive to look like another conspiracy site. Personally, I'd prefer things like this in the forumns rather than on the front page, rather than take the risk of being seen as that type of site, instead of a site dedicated to Canadian Soverienty.

I think the link you're looking for is:

http://user.pa.net/~drivera/index.htm

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] Peturbed: I haven't decided on whether to publish it or not. But you're right; it's a matter of whether we want Vive to look like another conspiracy site. Personally, I'd prefer things like this in the forumns rather than on the front page, rather than take the risk of being seen as that type of site, instead of a site dedicated to Canadian Soverienty. <br /> <br />I think the link you're looking for is: <br /> <br />http://user.pa.net/~drivera/index.htm <br /> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />The link has been fixed in my first post. I accidentally repeated the http:// part. <br /> <br />Here it is again: <br /> <br /> <br /><a href="http://user.pa.net/~drivera/">here</a>

[samuel]

Illuminati is conspiracy theory and the author's esoteric bio does not render much credibility to the book. <br /> <br />The <a href="http://www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm">Bilderberg Conference</a> is very real however and includes participants such as Jean Chretien, David Frum and other <a href="http://www.bilderberg.org/g/Bild-Canada.html">Canadian</a> elitists. <br /> <br /><i>"When such rich and powerful people meet up in secret, with military intelligence managing their security, with hardly a whisper escaping of what goes on inside, people are right to be suspicious. But the true power of Bilderberg comes from the fact that participants are in a bubble, sealed off from reality and the devastating implications on the ground of the black-science economic solutions on the table."</i>

[N Say]

[QUOTE BY= Samuel] Illuminati is conspiracy theory and the author's esoteric bio does not render much credibility to the book.[/quote] <br />I'm always highly skeptical of anything mentioning things like Freemasonry & the Illuminati. I don't think I believe any of that 'world domination' stuff. <br /> <br />[quote]The <a href="http://www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm">Bilderberg Conference</a> is very real however and includes participants such as Jean Chretien, David Frum and other <a href="http://www.bilderberg.org/g/Bild-Canada.html">Canadian</a> elitists. <br /> <br /><i>"When such rich and powerful people meet up in secret, with military intelligence managing their security, with hardly a whisper escaping of what goes on inside, people are right to be suspicious. But the true power of Bilderberg comes from the fact that participants are in a bubble, sealed off from reality and the devastating implications on the ground of the black-science economic solutions on the table."</i>[/QUOTE] <br />If they all wanted to rule the world, etc I wonder why they invited people like Lloyd Axworthy & card-carrying anti-nuclear activist John Polanyi? It doesn't make sense. I think people think way too hard about this sort of thing. If you want to know what the US is planning in the way of world domination, just read Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations. There isn't really anything secret about what the US is planning. It's all right out there in publicly-available publications.

[samuel]

Oh I'm still on earth too N Say <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= N Say] <br />I'm always highly skeptical of anything mentioning things like Freemasonry & the Illuminati. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />I wholly agree. When one doesn't understand something, one tends to demonize it.<p> <br /> <br />If you want to be one, ask one. It's that simple. Then you will know what others don't. Some of the best people I know are Masons. And they don't hide in shadows and plot the repression of the world. Quite the opposite.<p> <br /> <br />And the illuminati thing always cracks me up. I can just picture them wearing nametags on their pockets.<p> <br /><a href='http://www.aps21stcclc.com/aps/sunset/graphics/nametag.gif'>"HI! I'm:</a><br> <br /><i>immuminati</i>"<P> <br />

[Perturbed]

Sorry guys, but you missed the point of the book. There are literally dozens of credible "New world order" quotes in this book. <br /> <br />These quotes transcend countries. You have to stop seeing this as simply an American imperialist thing. <br /> <br />The problem is much larger. I'd read more of the book before you judge it. People like John Polyani are used by elites because they want to become elites, and get that in exchange for giving credibility to unscruulous people in power <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />As for the Masons Dr. Caleb, please don't assume that a low-level nobody Freemason knows a thing about the organization. They may not be a powerful organization, but their potential to abuse their influence is enormous. <br /> <br />It can not be argued the Masons didn't have power in the past....the founding debates of the United States were held in Masonic Lodges, and a Masonic symbol is on the U.S. 1 dollar bill. <br /> <br />Perhaps some believe that a secretive organization which boasts many influential members is benign. I have no undisputable evidence otherwise, but I won't assume anything. <br /> <br />Masonry isn't even a central theme in the book, so what's the problem.....

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Samuel] Oh I'm still on earth too N Say <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Samuel is back....

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= N Say] [QUOTE BY= Samuel] Illuminati is conspiracy theory and the author's esoteric bio does not render much credibility to the book.[/quote] <br />I'm always highly skeptical of anything mentioning things like Freemasonry & the Illuminati. I don't think I believe any of that 'world domination' stuff. <br /> <br />[quote]The <a href="http://www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm">Bilderberg Conference</a> is very real however and includes participants such as Jean Chretien, David Frum and other <a href="http://www.bilderberg.org/g/Bild-Canada.html">Canadian</a> elitists. <br /> <br /><i>"When such rich and powerful people meet up in secret, with military intelligence managing their security, with hardly a whisper escaping of what goes on inside, people are right to be suspicious. But the true power of Bilderberg comes from the fact that participants are in a bubble, sealed off from reality and the devastating implications on the ground of the black-science economic solutions on the table."</i>[/QUOTE] <br />If they all wanted to rule the world, etc I wonder why they invited people like Lloyd Axworthy & card-carrying anti-nuclear activist John Polanyi? It doesn't make sense. I think people think way too hard about this sort of thing. If you want to know what the US is planning in the way of world domination, just read Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations. There isn't really anything secret about what the US is planning. It's all right out there in publicly-available publications.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Freemasons in Germany talked about "uniting Europe" in the 1780s....they got their wish. <br /> <br />As for Axworthy, Polyani, they help lend credibility to elitist organizations. The makes the Bilderbergs look more "transparent." I'm not suggesting that Axworthy & Co. like or agree with the elites--they publicly don't speak the elitist language, but they could simply be mesmerized by the rich and powerful....they also could start to become like elites. If they spoke out, they could be threatened, as Bilderbergs are sworn to secrecy. <br /> <br />Bilderbergs own the media, so they could easily ruin someone's reputation in the media should they speak out.

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] <br />Masonry isn't even a central theme in the book, so what's the problem.....[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />No problem. I wasn't commenting on the book, just NSay's comments about conspiracies. <br /> <br />And I do know the Grand Master for all of Quebec, he's not exactly 'low level', and a fine human being. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> I believe his underlying plan for domination is how to get a better single malt Scotch into Canada. Johnny Walker Blue Label just doesn't cut it anymore. LOL. <br /> <br />

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [QUOTE BY= Perturbed]
Masonry isn't even a central theme in the book, so what's the problem.....[/QUOTE]

No problem. I wasn't commenting on the book, just NSay's comments about conspiracies.

And I do know the Grand Master for all of Quebec, he's not exactly 'low level', and a fine human being. I believe his underlying plan for domination is how to get a better single malt Scotch into Canada. Johnny Walker Blue Label just doesn't cut it anymore. LOL.

[/QUOTE]


I'm nopt suggesting Masons are evil--just that secretive organizations can be abused by some.

As for knowing the Grand Master of Quebec--interesting.....my only question is how anyone can know anything about people such as him if it's a strictly secretive organization that often says different things about how many degrees of Masonry there are.

[N Say]

I'm still not convinced. <br /> <br /> <br />Rotten.com has some good stuff about the Masons: <a href="http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/freemasonry/">from Rotten.com</a>