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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:00 pm
 


If the people in side the Government are not honourable, then the State is not your friend<br /> <br /> dennis Baker


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:11 pm
 


[QUOTE BY= dbaker] If the people in side the Government are not honourable, then the State is not your friend<br /> <br /> dennis Baker [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> But the majority of the positive functions of the state are conducted without interference from the people in power.



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:26 am
 


I know, pretty much off topic, but I have to ask:<br /> <br /> Does anyone know any sites about how the Swiss train themselves and put together their whole military?<br /> <br /> I ask because I hear you guys talking about it a lot of the time, and I'm interested to look more into it. Unfortunately, I haven't had much success with Google, so I figure "ask the guys who praise it".<br /> If you can provide links, I will be ever so grateful.<br /> Auf Wiedersehen



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:14 am
 


You’ve GOT to be kidding? Without our federal government we’d be americans? I remember reading the Wall Street Journal after NAFTA was signed, the business press was ecstatic down there, negotiators for the american government couldn’t believe we’d sign it, and even the canadian negotiators were against its final version. Virtually every american commentator said that this effectively meant that the US ‘took over’ Canada. And remember, any federal government can get out of it with six months notice. Of course our military is about 1/100th the size of theirs, so the idea that militarily our federal government could protect us is, well, disputable at best! <br /> <br /> Again we see the ‘smokescreens’ at work. While there are differences between our government’s they are essentially corporate run entities. Paul Martin is even more a CEO than Bush. Corporate taxes and taxes on the wealthy keep decreasing, costs are downloaded to the provinces and then municipalities, our health care system, educational system are severely gutted. Toxic waste is freely traded and our resources are all commodified and our energy is pretty much all shipped to them. Environmental polluters who have been thrown out of the US have set up shop in Canada, the only thing that saved Canada from becoming a cesspool was getting other countries into the free trade zone to ship stuff there. Many industries, such as the film industry, are pretty much completely run by americans. We’ve been ‘warned’ that more money will be going to our military even though it’s pretty much acknowledged that they will be an appendage of the americans in NATO and other imperialist manouvers, possibly even in Iraq, and while municipalities and even provinces are reduced to beggars at Ottawa’s door. Internationally, in economic matters canadian corporations are a mirror image of american ones, in fact many are far worse. The largest growth industry in Canada is weapons manufacture whose exports are guaranteed by CIDA. Public-private partnerships are actively encouraged in virtually all government departments now, even though their benefits are spurious. Virtually every federal initiative for canadians has been implemented first at the provincial level which made the federal government implement it in order that Canada would be recognized as a single entity. Notice that now we are reverting, if I ‘lose’ my ontario health care card and go to New Brunswick then I have to pay for services there, when in the past I would just show my birth certificate. There have been many commentators who make a strong case that in fact most federal initiatives have been detrimental to the cause they were intended to serve.<br /> <br /> The ‘state’ is not the scientists who warned us of bgh and then were fired, nor is it the police officers, teachers, or nurses, they WORK for the state. The state itself is the decision making body, and go do some research on their decisions. There isn’t ONE that I can think of in the last ten years that favoured canadians. Do a quick web search on the anti terrorist bill and the speed with which it was passed, then do one on the endangered species bill which is the first of it’s kind in Canada (unlike the US which has long had a federal endangered species act). It’s pretty illuminating. And this website is pretty much a testament to the WRONG decisions they are making virtually every day. That the US is an empire is not in dispute, but it is canadians who allow this to happen, not americans. They haven’t threatened us militarily or said ‘do this or we’ll invade’. No doubt they’ve threatened us with more economic penalties, but that’s where the cowardice really comes in when a country is too afraid of losing it’s standard of living to stand up for itself. Currently, we’ve been losing that standard of living for over a decade. <br /> <br /> Finally, my comments about the military have nothing to do with ‘cowardice’ and I don’t even know what that has to do with anything. If you are implying that people avoid service based on cowardice I think that’s unfair. You say that there will be people ready to make a difference, this is true, and we see them nightly on american news where killing people who are defending their country is ‘making a difference’. I think the american military, and the canadian ones with them could use a little more ‘cowardice’ since it is generally fear for one’s own safety that keeps one from attempting harm on another. <br /> <br /> For more on the swiss military just type “switzerland military” into Wikipedia.org, that’s a pretty good overview. For those not wanting to bother, an interesting note is that the swiss have had two referenda on whether to disband their military. <br />


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:44 pm
 


I can see how it's easy to say that the odds of getting killed are not that high, but when you take into account the dangers of the "cocktail" innoculations the troops were given and the dangers of the bio-weapons that are dropped you cannot exclude the long term health risks of the troops.<br /> I know a healty, vibrant man who came back from the Gulf. He was not killed, no, but it is a rare day when he can walk across a room, and that he is not in pain. His body is fading away. Have you seen pictures of the deformities of army children? It's sickening...<br />



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:06 am
 


Are you people seriously suggesting forcing criminals to fight for our nation? The idea of handing a gun to someone who has already shown a deliberate disregard for the country's laws is obscene to me. Does it really make you feel safer?<br /> <br /> And what about human rights? You're talking about FORCING someone to KILL on behalf of our country. I'm against war. What if I were put in a position where I thought I was going to be arrested and sent off to war. I'd be liable to shoot the cops before I fought an unholy, illegitimate war (Iraq, Afghanistan, Haiti, etc). <br /> <br /> Not to mention what happens when we are actually AT WAR and our forces begin to deplete. Oh, I know.. we'll just go arrest more teenagers. <br /> <br /> Besides, forcing those lost souls to join the armed forces is complete unnecessary. People are frequently turned away from the army for being unfit for duty and/or due to a lack of funding. So why would we be taking troubled kids off the street - kids who already have trouble with authority, likely with drug problems, troubled pasts, etc?<br /> <br /> You start sending criminals off to fight on behalf of your country and you'll feel the effects of a TRULY suffering army.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:25 am
 


Your understanding of this issue is based on media marketing of an industry.<br /> <br /> Serious criminal activity goes unchecked at the higher levels. Minor criminal activities done by the poor and disenfranchised, are blown out of porportion.<br /> <br /> example POT USE <br /> <br /> Dennis Baker


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:56 am
 


dbaker... not sure what you're getting at, as I'm a pro-legalization type myself. However, you inspired me...<br /> <br /> Police officers are supposed to uphold the law. To do so, they are given privileged power (the right to detain people, etc). However, police aren't even held accountable to the laws they uphold. In my opinion, that sets the scene for power abuses.<br /> <br /> So... I propose we hold police officers accountable to higher standards than normal citizens. If a police officer uses excessive force (and I mean EXCESSIVE - such as the police officer in my hometown that pepper-sprayed an unarmed woman in a wheelchair), he/she should be banned from police duty.<br /> <br /> Now here's the inspiration I got from dbaker. Why not send over-zealous police officers, who have so much love of power and confrontation, to fight for our country. THAT seems a fitting punishment for taking homeless people to Stanley Park to gang-beat them to within an inch of death... just a thought...



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:58 am
 


No, the police should be governed by the same laws as everyone else. There should be a level playing field. Over sight committees are needed for the police as well as all other public service members and regulatory committees are needed to oversee all essential public services. The army should be used to help people, build bridges, roads, clean up damaged environments, etc. <br /> Does anyone know if there is a website for Canadian soldiers to list the afflictions that they have suffered as a result of being in the Canadian Armed Forces?





PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:53 am
 


They are not held to any account period.<br /> <br /> thats the reality , not the theory.<br /> <br /> Of the 100,000 jail cells there are only two that hold cliford olsen , and paul bernardo, uet the media marketing of the system equates all to the lowest common denominator.<br /> <br /> jaywalkers, dog owners without leashes, no innsurance, pot use, the list goes on an on.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:49 am
 


Milton, I disagree. <br /> <br /> Police are paid to uphold the law. Currently, they can beat someone to death and get a year's paid holiday before they get fired. <br /> <br /> But my point is that if a police officer is going to make a career out of upholding the law, they damn well better abide by the laws they uphold. Police officers don't have the excuse of not believing in a particular law. Their job is to enforce established laws, so they cannot be passing subjective judgement those laws, thereby overriding our judicial system. Thus, a police officer who breaks a law also fails to equitably enforce that same law. And so he/she is also abusing his/her position of power for self benefit.<br /> <br /> That's why I feel that there should be zero-tolerance for police breaking the law. Maybe I phrased it wrong earlier by claiming I want them held to a "higher standard". That's not the case. What I meant is that when a police officer DOES break a law, he/she should be fired immediately without pay (and if he/she is placed on pay leave while an investigation ensues, he/she should be responsible to repay the government if he/she is found guilty), then punished MORE severely than a normal citizen, as a police officer breaking the law also constitutes corruption and a breach of trust and abuse of power.



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:57 pm
 


Thats why I proposed the Maximum is the miminum sentence in your section "If I was Prime Minister".<br /> <br /> Dennis Baker


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