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[QUOTE]Perturbed,<br /> <br /> And Dr. Caleb I believe you were asking how WW2 was economically driven? I would recommend the "Global Banking Trilogy" post Milton submitted to Vive a couple of days ago. Especially the link titled: "The Bank for International Settlements". It seems that WW2 was born out of WW1.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> There are lots of other documents about other banks that suggest this as well. I was simply suggesting there were other causes of W.W.II than banking, but obviously banking is one of the bigger ones.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]And Perturbed your unreasonable fear of immigrants being terrorists just does not hold water. Criminals are people and people become criminals. Any one of us can become a criminal put in the situation that would drive us there however misguided that may be. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Ah, you didn't read what I said. I never said most immigrants were terrorists--and luckily Canada has experienced no even like the London bombing. All I said was that as the latest terrorist threats appear to be Muslim, restricting immigration from certain countries or simply not changing our immigration policies back in the 1960s would have prevented any threat in the first place. It is simply a plain fact that there was no threat of Muslim terrorism in the 1960s when Canada had no Muslims. Of course most Muslims are not terrorists--but some are, so please don't lecture me unless you have a good argument and have read my post accurately.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> I have friends that are immigrants and in most cases they make better Canadians than some of the Canadian born people I know.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I hope you don't expect a polite response from this insulting statement, but I'll give you one anyway. Of course there are Canadians who are unsavourary like anywhere, but the key word is immigrants make better Canadians than SOME of the people you know. This said, this mostly says a lot about the Canadian people you hang around. <br /> <br /> I too have noticed that in rare cases, an immigrant might know more about Canada than most Canadians--but they rarely seem more Canadian. The days of assimilating immigrants is long gone. We simply accept to many at one time to assimilate them.

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[QUOTE]I know that's what you meant. But that isn't an option. That part of the world is so fluid, there is no telling who is Afghani, Pakistani, Kashmiri, Indian . . . All you have to do is cross the border, live with family and friends for a while and *poof* you have a new identity and can apply for a passport. Or come here on Vacation and apply as a refugee. With a severe lack of birth records, there is nothing to challenge that you are not who you claim to be. <br /> <br /> So, your answer is to stop all immigration. Even from England, Germany, Austraillia . . .? What did they ever do to us? [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Come on DOc, I've told you what I mean. My answer is to stop most or all non-European immigration--this would eliminate having to distinguish between various middle-eastern and Asian nationalities.<br /> <br /> As for England, Germany and Australia, I would GLADLY accept immigrants from these countries when we needed or wanted them on our terms to serve our interests and not threaten our own two distinct English culture or whatever is left of it. The same would go for Quebec.<br /> <br /> I would accept these immigrants from England, Germany, Australia and so forth in smaller numbers, so as to allow the country to absorb them with little stress, and so they integrate culturally and become part of Canada, not their own ethnic block....their children would then be pretty well completely assimilated. <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The problem has never been Muslims. In general, they are good, hard working people. The problem is with the Radical Islamists, and the small percentage of them don't 'stand out' in any way from the rest.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I agree, but even law abiding Muslims have customs like Sharia Law which are quite backwards by our standards. They also take jobs from Canadians and when they create jobs they only create them for themselves. Why even risk immigration from non-traditional sources when France and Germany have 10-20% unemployment? <br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]I know that's your shotgun approach to things, but Canadian Citizens can't be 'deported' to anywhere. And how do you 'deport' an organization? Since when have we had a terrorist problem?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Yes but their host countries would accept them and Canada did deport many people during the World War II period, even Europeans like Italians. The United States deported PEACEFULLY over a whopping 2 million Mexicans back in the 1930s, when it was much less practical to do so. It can be done.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Logical error: Non Sequitr. Our government lies to us all the time. But there is no link that immigration policies have allowed terrorists to enter Canada. No matter how much people want to believe that there are terrorists in Canada, until an immigrant performs an act of terror in Canada or is extradited for terror acts outside of Canada; there is nothing to link immigration and terroism. Except fear, and that fear will override our belief in Adversarial Justice, if we let it.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I am referring more to the immigrants our government lets in to Canada that already have criminal records. Come on Doc. Paul Martin went to dinner with Sri Lankan Tamil Tigers to raise money and garner votes--that organization is a known terrorist organization. In another case, a woman who was a Chinese Triad and had run a drug lab in China was let in to Canada and given citizenship despite the fact she was a known criminal--this was reported in the Globe and Mail. Also, the government allows many foreign businessmen with dubious ties to do business in Canada as long as they bring the required money and occasionally bribe officials.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]And where would we deport FLQ terrorists to?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> A Canadian jail, which we did....it's funny you mention it, didn't some of them get deported to France on a plea bargain? Also, knowing Canada, whose governor general's husband has ties to an FLQ terrorist, we don't care much about these things anyway.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Logical errors: Non Sequitr(X 3), Inconsistency, Excluded Middle.<br /> <br /> There is no proof of a 'globasist elite' nor that our government has betrayed us to them, nor that the war is pointless, nor that the war is for profit. Just the opposite, above I showed that both Afghanistan's (and the same for Iraq's) natural resources are not worth the cost of these wars. Citing 'global conspiracies' and 'hidden agendas' to back that up are also logical fallicies.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> There is proof of a globalist elite. The Bilderberg Group is a semi-secret meeting like the Davos meetings and they have admitted they have influence on the world on the BBC. A former BBC reporter Tony Gosling has a web site about them. Here is the link:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.bilderberg.org">here</a><br /> <br /> Also, the agenda is not hidden. An employee of the government during Trudeau's reign wrote a book about how Trudeau actually closed European immigrant recruiting offices. This proves they had no intention of continuing to accept many immigrants from Europe--they people who created Canada. If you are interested I could find the title of the book, and it was also referred to in a Globe and Mail article.<br /> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]'Excluded Middle' fallicy from the fact that no one is going to war with immigrants. I know you tend to paint all Muslims with one brush. You might try getting to know a few of them. They are good people, and good Canadians.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> No I don't paint anyone with the same brush, but I want a policy that works for Canada, not one that works for all Muslims, criminal or not. I went to school with some Muslims and have bought stuff from many Muslim-owned stores in Toronto. It couldn't be avoided in many cases if I wanted milk. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br /> Most of them are good people--but they are not Canadian. I oppose the redefinition of Canadian citizenship to mean anything. The term "Canadian" means nothing if anyone can be a Canadian.