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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:19 pm
 


[QUOTE BY= Kory Yamashita] [QUOTE BY= Stymiest] [QUOTE BY= Kory Yamashita] The US is an empire of oil. It started to thrive with the invention of the automobile. And since then everything has been transformed to reflect this. Public transportation was privatised and sold to GM, who neglected the infrastructure, forcing more people to buy cars. Now the entire country is hopelessly dependent on oil for every basic need. <br /> <br />So what happens when peak oil hits? Look at what happened in the 70's when US peak oil hit. The US had to scramble to secure oil from other sources. Well what happens when the GLOBAL peak oil arrives (by best estimates, about 4 years ago)?? <br /> <br />The reason nature evolves a diversity of species is that more than one will serve a specific purpose. That way if one species goes extinct, another can take its place. Now apply this to oil. The US has failed to diversify its energy sources. It has built an empire on one single source of wealth. And that wealth is in finite supply and is shrinking VERY quickly. I'd say imperial US is counting its days...[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Sorry Kory but I don't buy the whole evil oil empire theory like most on this site. When Oil hits its peak a company will do what most companies do diversify.... That is what the US will do aswell. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Don't buy the evil oil empire theory? Didn't you notice the US invasion of Iraq? <br /> <br />And when oil hits its peak, we already know the US has done nothing to diversify. Peak oil, by best estimates, occurred in the year 2000. Since then oil production has been decreasing annually. And rather than diversifying their energy sources and investing in mobile energy technology, such as hydrogen fuel cells, the US has been invading countries to secure the remaining oil for itself. Not only is the US addicted to oil, as I described above, they are also in denial about their addiction, just as they are in denial about peak oil. <br /> <br />If someone doesn't invest heavily in alternative energies VERY soon, we are going to see an economic recession like never before. I'm not saying the US is doomed; I'm saying that if they keep acting in the same arrogant way they have been lately, they won't look to diversify until it's too late. <br /> <br />Personally I don't think we should wait for Americans to come to their senses. We should build hydrogen fuel cell cars here in Canada. Hitler did it with the Volkswagon. Why not do the same thing here, but with hydrogen fuel cells and other alternative energy?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Omg their is nothign worse than that damn conspiracy theory about Iraq. LOl and using Hitler is a bad example lol oh wait you probably think he is gods gift to this planet lol


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Stymiest,

Is there anything about Bush and the war in Iraq that you question? Or do you honestly believe everything Bush say's? If that's the case that means Iraq still has WMD and he honestly went in there to save the Iraq people.

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There is a point to what is said that the war is not about oil. Well, in a way everything is about oil, but not JUST about oil. One can argue fairly easily that american politics is controlled by Israel, or else that Israel is an american colony which america has a vested interest. So there is pretty good indications that busting up the militaries of middle east serves Israel's purposes. More specifically though, Iraq has the best source of water, which Israel is severely lacking. <br /> If the united states wanted to, it could easily reduce its reliance on oil. These companies are so massive that I suspect that if it didn't remain economically expedient they would have alternative fuel cars on the road tomorrow (well, that may not be true). <br /> If Reagan had kept the regulations on the auto sector for four more years the US would have been completely self reliant on oil. It can easily satisfy most of it's oil needs by atlantic sources of oil. The main point is that the middle east oil cannot be allowed to fall under anybody else's control but the US's. This would make the EU or China into another superpower to override american corporate interests.


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Stymiest, why exactly did Bush invade Iraq? <br /> <br />Weapons of Mass Destruction? Hmm.. I don't remember them finding anything like THAT, kind of like all those millions of protestors around the world told Bush. <br /> <br />Liberating the Iraqi people? Funny, Bush will go against the UN to liberate the Iraqi people that his dad fought a losing war against, but he won't do anything for the millions of innocent people in Sudan unless the UN gives him the go-ahead. <br /> <br />oh.. why oh why did Bush go to Iraq? Couldn't have anything to do with that oil conspiracy could it? Naw, it's not like Hubbert's peak predicted the peak of US oil prediction accurately to the year 1970 or anything like that. It's not like peak oil is a PROVEN REALITY. It's not like China's emerging economy is soon going to put huge pressures on the global oil supply. It's not like the US wanted to pre-empt them and take control of the last remnants of a valuable resource that every industrialized country is dependent on. <br /> <br />So Stymiest, why exactly DID Bush go to Iraq?



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Kory,

How many times do you have to be told. The war in Iraq is about WMD and liberating the Iraqi people. Being sarcastic of course.

It was repeated so many times in the American media, no wonder it had support from some of the American public. Heck even I was starting to believe Iraq had WMD.

And Stymiest it may not be about evil oil empire. But its for sure evil how the Bush admin went about dealing with Iraq. If they would have went in there first saying it was about liberating the Iraqi people, it would have had more chances of being sold to the masses.

The way they changed their reason for the war as they went along, is suspicious. The fact that the U.S hasn't "liberated" other countries (waiting for the U.N approval) yet they so called went to liberate the Iraqi people against the U.N is also very suspicious.

Also the idea about the United States spreading Democracy around the world is so ridiculous for anyone to accept. What exactly is so good about the democracy in the United States? I mean there is just way too many people left behind in their so called free society.

Its evil to let 40 million people have no health care while spending a trillion on a missle defence that hasn't been proven to work. Its a democracy that I may one day see here in Canada just as soon as we are taken over economically.

Its some of the European countries who maybe should be spreading their demecracy around the world. Not the U.S.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:35 pm
 


History is beginning to repeat itself with a whole new arms race. Canada should back off, slap America in the face and say "BIG ELEPHANT, THE ONLY THING THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM IS YOU!".


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How much more proof do some still need? <br /> <br />----------------------------------------- <br /> <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.sundayherald.com/46389">US admits the war for ‘hearts and minds’ in Iraq is now lost</a> <br /> <br /> <br />Pentagon report reveals catalogue of failure <br />By Neil Mackay, Investigations Editor <br />05 December 2004 <br /> <br />THE Pentagon has admitted that the war on terror and the invasion and occupation of Iraq have increased support for al-Qaeda, made ordinary Muslims hate the US and caused a global backlash against America because of the “self-serving hypocrisy” of George W Bush’s administration over the Middle East. <br /> <br />The mea culpa is contained in a shockingly frank “strategic communications” report, written this autumn by the Defence Science Board for Pentagon supremo Donald Rumsfeld. <br /> <br />On “the war of ideas or the struggle for hearts and minds”, the report says, “American efforts have not only failed, they may also have achieved the opposite of what they intended”. <br /> <br />“American direct intervention in the Muslim world has paradoxically elevated the stature of, and support for, radical Islamists, while diminishing support for the United States to single digits in some Arab societies.” <br /> <br />Referring to the repeated mantra from the White House that those who oppose the US in the Middle East “hate our freedoms”, the report says: “Muslims do not ‘hate our freedoms’, but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favour of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing support, for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. <br /> <br />“Thus when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypo crisy. Moreover, saying that ‘freedom is the future of the Middle East’ is seen as patronising … in the eyes of Muslims, the American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq has not led to democracy there, but only more chaos and suffering. US actions appear in contrast to be motivated by ulterior motives, and deliberately controlled in order to best serve American national interests at the expense of truly Muslim self-determination.” <br /> <br />The way America has handled itself since September 11 has played straight into the hands of al-Qaeda, the report adds. “American actions have elevated the authority of the jihadi insurgents and tended to ratify their legitimacy among Muslims.” The result is that al-Qaeda has gone from being a marginal movement to having support across the entire Muslim world. <br /> <br />“Muslims see Americans as strangely narcissistic,” the report goes on, adding that to the Arab world the war is “no more than an extension of American domestic politics”. The US has zero credibility among Muslims which means that “whatever Americans do and say only serves … the enemy”. <br /> <br />The report says that the US is now engaged in a “global and generational struggle of ideas” which it is rapidly losing. In order to reverse the trend, the US must make “strategic communication” – which includes the dissemination of propaganda and the running of military psychological operations – an integral part of national security. The document says that “Presidential leadership” is needed in this “ideas war” and warns against “arrogance, opportunism and double standards”. <br /> <br />“We face a war on terrorism,” the report says, “intensified conflict with Islam, and insurgency in Iraq. Worldwide anger and discontent are directed at America’s tarnished credibility and ways the US pursues its goals. There is a consensus that America’s power to persuade is in a state of crisis.” More than 90% of the populations of some Muslims countries, such as Saudi Arabia, are opposed to US policies. <br /> <br />“The war has increased mistrust of America in Europe,” the report adds, “weakened support for the war on terrorism and undermined US credibility worldwide.” This, in turn, poses an increased threat to US national security. <br /> <br />America’s “image problem”, the report authors suggest, is “linked to perceptions of the US as arrogant, hypocritical and self-indulgent”. The White House “has paid little attention” to the problems. <br /> <br />The report calls for a huge boost in spending on propaganda efforts as war policies “will not succeed unless they are communicated to global domestic audiences in ways that are credible”. <br /> <br />American rhetoric which equates the war on terror as a cold-war-style battle against “totalitarian evil” is also slapped down by the report. Muslims see what is happening as a “history-shaking movement of Islamic restoration … a renewal of the Muslim world …(which) has taken form through many variant movements, both moderate and militant, with many millions of adherents – of which radical fighters are only a small part”. <br /> <br />Rather than supporting tyranny, most Muslim want to overthrow tyrannical regimes like Saudi Arabia. “The US finds itself in the strategically awkward – and potentially dangerous – situation of being the long-standing prop and alliance partner of these authoritarian regimes. Without the US, these regimes could not survive,” the report says. <br /> <br />“Thus the US has strongly taken sides in a desperate struggle … US policies and actions are increasingly seen by the overwhelming majority of Muslims as a threat to the survival of Islam itself … Americans have inserted themselves into this intra-Islamic struggle in ways that have made us an enemy to most Muslims. <br /> <br />“There is no yearning-to- be-liberated-by-the-US groundswell among Muslim societies … The perception of intimate US support of tyr-annies in the Muslim world is perhaps the critical vulnerability in American strategy. It strongly undercuts our message, while strongly promoting that of the enemy.” <br /> <br />The report says that, in terms of the “information war”, “at this moment it is the enemy that has the advantage”. The US propaganda drive has to focus on “separating the vast majority of non-violent Muslims from the radical- militant Islamist-Jihadist”. <br /> <br />According to the report, “the official take on the target audience [the Muslim world] has been gloriously simple” and divided the Middle East into “good” and “bad Muslims”. <br /> <br />“Americans are convinced that the US is a benevolent ‘superpower’ that elevates values emphasising freedom … deep down we assume that everyone should naturally support our policies. Yet the world of Islam – by overwhelming majorities at this time – sees things differently. Muslims see American policies as inimical to their values, American rhetoric about freedom and democracy as hypocritical and American actions as deeply threatening. <br /> <br />“In two years the jihadi message – that strongly attacks American values – is being accepted by more moderate and non-violent Muslims. This in turn implies that negative opinion of the US has not yet bottomed out <br /> <br />Equally important, the report says, is “to renew European attitudes towards America” which have also been severely damaged since September 11, 2001. As “al-Qaeda constantly outflanks the US in the war of information”, American has to adopt more sophisticated propaganda techniques, such as targeting secularists in the Muslim world – including writers, artists and singers – and getting US private sector media and marketing professionals involved in disseminating messages to Muslims with a pro-US “brand”. <br /> <br />The Pentagon report also calls for the establishment of a national security adviser for strategic communications, and a massive boost in funding for the “information war” to boost US government TV and radio stations broadcasting in the Middle East. <br /> <br />The importance of the need to quickly establish a propaganda advantage is underscored by a document attached to the Pentagon report from Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defence secretary, dated May. <br /> <br />It says: “Our military expeditions to Afghanistan and Iraq are unlikely to be the last such excursion in the global war on terrorism.” <br />



If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can not anticipate our future actions.


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