[whelan costen]

there is a radio show on in the evenings, with rather bizarre topics,called, 'Coast to Coast' with George Norry, or Art Bell, anyway one night they were talking with a guy that swears, the streaks in the sky we see today, are not from the jets exhaust but in fact biological stuff, changing the weather, and even dropping germs to make people ill, on purpose, according to the show. Apparently when they have called the airforce etc to ask what is going on, it stops, for awhile and then when nobody is watching it starts up again. The guest claimed that the colours we see in the sky today, were not there years ago, such as yellows and greens, etc. I don't know what to make of it, but it isn't out of this world, with what we know already. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/frown.gif' alt='Frown'>

[N Say]

well in the same chapter he lists many more places the US has tested chemical or biological weapons, usually by spraying them from aircraft: Watertown NY, Virgin Islands, the San Fransisco Bay area, Minneapolis, St Louis, Washington DC, Florida, Savannah, Avon Park, NYC, Chicago, stockyards in Texas, Missouri, Minnesota, South Dakota, Iowa & Nebraska. All his sources are mainstream news or official governemnt documents, testimonies before congress, etc.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= whelan costen] there is a radio show on in the evenings, with rather bizarre topics,called, 'Coast to Coast' with George Norry, or Art Bell, anyway one night they were talking with a guy that swears, the streaks in the sky we see today, are not from the jets exhaust but in fact biological stuff, changing the weather, and even dropping germs to make people ill, on purpose, according to the show. Apparently when they have called the airforce etc to ask what is going on, it stops, for awhile and then when nobody is watching it starts up again. The guest claimed that the colours we see in the sky today, were not there years ago, such as yellows and greens, etc. I don't know what to make of it, but it isn't out of this world, with what we know already. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/frown.gif' alt='Frown'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Hi Catherine....here is what you do, google the term "chemtrails". There are self-made kits designed to bust the chemtrails, they resemble cloud seeder devices.....educate-yourself is a good web site, I'll find the link if you want.<br /> <br /> The term "chemtrails" is a take off of the word "contrails" which are the real vapour trails planes leave.....aircraft mechanics have been fired for revealing special tanks on commericial jets used to create chemtrails.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Here is how to spot a chemtrail--I've seen them over Toronto: look at the vapour trail behind a jet----if it doesn't disperse within 5-30 minutes, and lasts several hours, it is not normal.<br /> <br /> Chemtrails can apparently make a clear sky cloudy for several hours.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= N Say] well in the same chapter he lists many more places the US has tested chemical or biological weapons, usually by spraying them from aircraft: Watertown NY, Virgin Islands, the San Fransisco Bay area, Minneapolis, St Louis, Washington DC, Florida, Savannah, Avon Park, NYC, Chicago, stockyards in Texas, Missouri, Minnesota, South Dakota, Iowa & Nebraska. All his sources are mainstream news or official governemnt documents, testimonies before congress, etc.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Also N Say, apparently Canada allowed the U.S. to test a mild virus over Winnipeg Manitoba in the late 1940s to early 1950s. I can find links.<br /> <br /> The New York City Subway was tested on in 1966.<br /> <br /> None of these tests were anything approaching lethal for the average person, and health was less of an obsession, but creepy still.....

[whelan costen]

Yes Yes, that is what they are called, chem trails, and I've seen them but didn't know what they were, I did think it was strange though, because there is no airport near where I live and yet we have these jets flying overhead every so often.<br /> <br /> Scary stuff, this is not something you can really protect yourself from, because you haven't got a clue, who, what, where, when and mostly why? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'>

[whelan costen]

Thanks for the info on the educate yourself website, very interesting info on there, I think I'll be visiting often, too much to absorb at once, but very interesting.

[Marcarc]

This is quite an interesting topic, I still haven't fallen quite in step with it, being the cynic that I am. First, because airspace is so heavily regulated, this does essentially mean that your government is complicit in trying to kill you. If not outright, then certainly in turning a blind eye to something that can kill you. Basically, once you believe that, then your government institutions have not only lost any legal plausibility for existence (since only a social contract binds individuals to their governments-or else they are effectively a dictatorship) but are an outright illegal entity (in which case not only is Quebec separation the 'wise thing to do', but it is also the RIGHT thing to do.<br /> <br /> If you still aren't using emule or morpheus keep in mind that these are LEGAL. You just can't 'upload' files. Well, you CAN, but technically it's illegal. Why I mention that is that there is a grainy documentary out there called "Chemtrails", you can look it up with that word or with "working television", which apparantly comes from BC. The show begins with a guy who wrote a book on it, who states that after doing a radio show he was at a remote cabin and spotted these chemtrails. It sounded so conspiratorial that I couldn't quite buy into, however, later in the show he talks about what happened in Espanola, Ontario, a primarily native town next to Manitoulin, Island. There, the people awoke to find a 'snow like substance' covering everything. Many people got sick, and the people were astute enough to take samples. I don't remember the outcome, however the samples turned out to be aluminum with other trace elements. You can look up "Espanola" and "chemtrails" for more. I believe the theory at the time was they were attempting to use tiny metal particles in the upper atmosphere to reflect sunlight or some such thing. <br /> <br /> There was one point that they made that made me pause. The claim is that these have been spotted over all major cities all over Canada and have corresponded with an increase in respiratorial problems at clinics and ER's. That is something that I perhaps take issue with since it is extremely difficult to get access to such data from hospitals. That would be a real 'clincher', however, I still haven't bought into the evidence completely.

[Spud]

NSay,you should read the whole book.It is damn interesting and will make it clear why so much of the world hates america.<br /> Yes,the part you also mention makes it sound like the government created the AIDS virus.There are a lot of people who do feel that,and even a lot of americans,particularly blacks. <br /> As for the chemtrails,I honestly don`t know,but I will never trust any government.Power+money+big business+secrecy=corruption.<br />

[N Say]

i have read the whole book a couple times, i just skipped that stuff right at the end of that chapter somehow. don't worry i'm a bigtime blum groupie & one of my all-time favourite books is killing hope. his latest, freeing the world to death, is good too (but no killing hope).

[FootPrints]

Well I don't know how true this is but check it out:<br /> <br /> These are lists of dead Microbiologist/Scientists<br /> www.rense.com/general62/sci.htm<br /> www.rense.com/general48/moredead.htm<br /> <br /> (couldn't get the links to work but if you cut and paste them, you'll get there.)

[Marcarc]

It is extremely difficult to verify coroners reports, I've seen a lot of 'dead lists' like this, most turned out to be phony. However, most of these guys were on 'our side', and could very well have been spies, and in that world mortality can be high. Often though people's resume's are 'buffed up' to make them into a conspiracy victim. Unless it can be verified-I prefer to sit on the fence. Although even if true, it has no real effect on our lives-certainly not like aluminum snow or chemical dust raining down on us.

[Milton]

I don't believe that they have found the "aids virus" as yet. They pronounce people as HIV positive and then feed them a lethal cocktail of poisonous drugs which knock out their immune systems and enable any disease around to run rampant in their bodies.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Milton] I don't believe that they have found the "aids virus" as yet. They pronounce people as HIV positive and then feed them a lethal cocktail of poisonous drugs which knock out their immune systems and enable any disease around to run rampant in their bodies.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Don't some people who stay off drugs also die? There must be some virus out there, no?

[N Say]

yeah try to stay away from the crackpot stuff. there are more than enough official government documents out there to find out what the truth is.