[gaulois]

Troll. A little too obvious. Has been a tough week south of the border, hasn't it?

[N Say]

i actually agree with pretty much all of that, except maybe our health system forcing people to the US, & our taxes. but we can do much better than we have been doing for the last 138yrs. it's mainly due to corruption & our politicians selling out & so on.

[iluvfreebeer]

The Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale has a huge number of Canadians there for treatment. We're glad to have them. They're nice people and spend money. We wish them all a full and speedy recovery.<br /> <br /> As for the troll remark . . . if the socialists running this board don't ban me, you'll see that label is innacurate.<br /> <br /> Shalom.<br /> <br />

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= iluvfreebeer] <br /> As for the troll remark . . . if the socialists running this board don't ban me, you'll see that label is innacurate.<br /> <br /> Shalom.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Feel free to read and adhere to the FAQ, and that will never happen. Troll till your heart's content!<br /> <br /> And troll is the penultimate word here. You've obviously come here with a chip on your shoulder, and unreceptive to anyone trying to change your views from the pre-programmed ones you obvoiusly flout. So, why are you here, if not to participate?<br /> <br /> Mazeltoph!<br />

[iluvfreebeer]

I heard the was the narrow minded Canuckistan forum.<br /> <br /> Apparantly I heard correctly.<br /> <br />

[Mr.Can-Euro]

Canada is irrelevant in many ways thanks to the Liberals and the other corrupt governments Canada has had.

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= iluvfreebeer] I heard the was the narrow minded Canuckistan forum.<br /> <br /> Apparantly I heard correctly.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I herd 'Merikans cant spall and dont no england. Parently yer cuzin Bubba wuz rite.<br /> <br /> (I agree with you 100% Mr C-E. )<br />

[Spud]

Agree with you .The government and big business are far too close for comfort.The public is THE problem.They simply don`t care.I have no idea how to change that.But you know the old saying;you don`t know what you got till it is gone.When Canada is gone you will hear Canadians do what they do best,bitch.But not a one will do anything about it. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/confused.gif' alt='Confused'> <br /> The Nation is dumbing down.Vive is always a refreshing place to visit because there are fresh ideas all the time.But it is a token minority of us that actually think,or demand change. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cry.gif' alt='Cry'> <br /> I find it incredible that so many people simply don`t even know what NAFTA is and have never heard of it!The American government/public/business leaders are well aware of Canadian attitudes and have simply stepped up to the bar,who can blame them.We don`t do anything anymore.Sweden and Finland out manufacture Canada.Finland builds more farm tractors then Canada!The Canadian public is very happy having their head up their ass,or maybe their ass up their head?<br /> I wished I had an answer. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/question.gif' alt='Question'>

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= Spud]The public is THE problem. They simply don`t care. I have no idea how to change that.<br /> ...<br /> The Nation is dumbing down. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Hear hear! Bread and circuses my friend! Ever since politicians learned that the average voter will vote for something that benefits Average Joe voter if the incumbent offers it, and follows it up with enough goodies while in ofice to get re-elected, it's been downhill since. The average voter has to be convinced that voting for the good of Canada brings better benefits.<br /> <br /> How to do that? Well, that is the challenge of our time. Someone had to appeal that mythical court decision (that I still haven't found) where the court said it was OK to lie about election promises, because the public expected it.

[whelan costen]

First I take exception to the title, in who's opinion is Canada Irrelevant? Dictionary, says irrelevant, means not relevant, relevant means: bearing upon the matter at hand, or having reference to the case under consideration.<br /> <br /> So the question is 'Canada is irrelevant to what, or who?'<br /> <br /> Canada is relevant to me, to my future, to my lifestyle, to my values. The reason IMO, that Canadians don't care is because there has been a conscious effort to deny us the information we need to make intelligent decisions, and form opinions on the matters at hand. Why don't most Canadians understand NAFTA? Why don't most Canadians understand what a PNAC means for us? Why don't we see that the attack on our healthcare has been deliberate, so as to make way for the privatization, now taking place?<br /> <br /> As for the statment that vive represents a token few, I would suggest this, when vive started there were a handful of people contributing to the site, and a few posters, or even viewing the site, I don't know the stats but just judging by the number of views on an article, I would say the numbers are increasing substantially. So Canadians are waking up, not fast enough I would agree, and it is frustrating, but if we look at history, we can learn that propaganda is a very strong stream and hard to fight. But fight we must.<br /> <br /> So Canada has not been irrelevant in regards to land mine treaties, peace initiatives, or to treaties for the non-proliferation of wmd. We have not been irrelevant to all those who have made Canada their home, either by birth or by being welcomed here, when their homeland was threatening their lives. Canada had a relevant bearing on the outcome of WWI and II, we had a relevant bearing in postwar peacekeeping, we were relevant in Aerospace technology, not just the Avro Arrow, but even the most recent Canada Arm in the Shuttle Mission. We participate in docots without borders, and feeding the worlds hungry, we are constantly discovering new technology on the medical and science fronts. We are certainly not irrelevant on the oil/gas front, or the winter wonderland holidays in Banff. Those are but a few. <br /> <br /> We are not an irrelevant country, nor are the people who call Canada home irrelevant and if we were, nobody would bother to dispute with us as they do on vive! Why argue or debate with people about a country that has no significance to the world? We obviously do, and we are making progress. Let's not get caught up in more rhetoric and propaganda. <br /> <br /> If you tell people they are nothing, and have no bearing on the outcome of a situation, you are attempting to break their spirit, many regimes have done this to entire countries, look at how the Germans did it to the Jewish population! They built up one part of society in order to tear down another, people do it all the time in daily life, but if you agree with their propaganda, eventually you too, will lay down and do nothing. That is the plan, I think Canadians are smarter than that, we are more than relevant on the world stage, we are the voices of the future, free, democratic and true to the respect for human beings and our environment.

[Spud]

Good one Whelan! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[Monorprise]

[QUOTE BY= Spud] Agree with you .The government and big business are far too close for comfort.The public is THE problem.They simply don`t care.I have no idea how to change that.But you know the old saying;you don`t know what you got till it is gone.When Canada is gone you will hear Canadians do what they do best,bitch.But not a one will do anything about it. <br /> The Nation is dumbing down.Vive is always a refreshing place to visit because there are fresh ideas all the time.But it is a token minority of us that actually think,or demand change. <br /> I find it incredible that so many people simply don`t even know what NAFTA is and have never heard of it!The American government/public/business leaders are well aware of Canadian attitudes and have simply stepped up to the bar,who can blame them.We don`t do anything anymore.Sweden and Finland out manufacture Canada.Finland builds more farm tractors then Canada!The Canadian public is very happy having their head up their ass,or maybe their ass up their head?<br /> I wished I had an answer. [/QUOTE]<br /> It’s called socialism and dependency, they already discovered this effect in the US with social Security (Disaster waiting to happen) that’s what’s keep the Democrats in power for the longest time after FDR, and made the so corrupt. That in the fact of the southern (former confederacy (really conservatives) but democratic voting block up to the Regain revolution since the US Civil War (1861-1865))<br /> There is always a huge segment of the populations that are prone to becoming depended upon government or what ever wealth fare. Just like an drug or alcohol, addiction actual exactly the same thing, as far as the human brain is conserved. And of course certain types of people are a lot more prone to this kind of dependency than others representing a huge segment of the population. In the US, this doesn’t work nearly as well as we have what is basically a 2 party system, meaning the rest of the population can see the huge corruption, and simply vote for the other party, or a member of that party that doesn’t support that(party in the USA relatively is weak, and has almost no ability to actual enforce party line among anyone, that goes back to the basic Constitutional structure of our government, and the fact that we have just 2 main parties that in order to be able to beat the other, they have to be as inclusive as possible.)

[lesouris]

What's so bad about socialism? I'm not saying that what we have in Canada is socialism, but if socialism is defined as the pursuit of equality for all citizens, what's so bad about that?<br /> <br /> I think it is a sign of a mature and developed nation that Canada would appear irrelevant in the United States. I mean, if you're going by what you hear in the media then no news is good news, isn't it? The media covers bad things like wars, corruption, natural disasters, et cetera. So the less you hear about us, the better we're doing.<br /> <br /> That's not saying there's no corruption in Canada. We do have it. There is no denying that. I would suggest to people from other countries that perhaps you should seek out corruption in your own nation instead of wasting your time judging the amount of corruption in others. I think you will find that your government is also plagued by the stuff.<br /> <br /> Anti-American sentiment oozing out over your northern border? Really? Have you ever paused and asked yourself <i>why</i> there would be anti-American sentiment in Canada? Surely you don't believe its all jealousy as so many of your compatriots assume. So why? Why are people in Canada fed up with the US? Perhaps if you had kept abreast to Canadian issues - but then again we are irrelevant.<br /> <br /> So go on believing that we don't like the US because we're envious of your...your...wait, what exactly are we supposed to be envious of? Go on believing all you want about Canada and Canadians.

[iluvfreebeer]

Whelen - Canada is irrelevant to everyone outside your little coffee and croisant circle.<br /> <br /> <br />

[Jesse]

[QUOTE BY= iluvfreebeer] Whelen - Canada is irrelevant to everyone outside your little coffee and croisant circle.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> And what is the basis for that statement? Do you have a poll or a survey? How about a news article? Or even some direct quotes would be nice. Unless you can provide *any* proof to support such a position, it is complete bunk. You can go around insulting things all day, but unless there's some basis for what you say, you're just a troll. I eagerly await some informative links from you.